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Message: <blockquote data-quote="the_redbeard" data-source="post: 4413013" data-attributes="member: 22644">Bingo.Nothing upsets players more than taking away their choice. I know that as a DM. As a player, choice is why I play the game - I get to choose what I do.So philosophically, I disagree with your DM.Is Diplomacy vs passive insight a good rule for haggling? That's more of a judgment call.But it is another area I disagree with the DM. Not as strongly as his little power trip with the mayor, but I still disagree.For one thing, you should be able to haggle as well. Diplomacy vs diplomacy maybe? Perhaps Knowledge Arcana check of a suitable DC (dependent upon item) for being able to explain the value of the item magically.If the mayor was using diplomacy to ingratiate himself to you, that might be a different check that would have to be defended against. I don't know that passive insight is the way to go. Maybe even Will defense? If he succeeded, that might give you a minus on your haggle roll - you wouldn't be too greedy with someone you like.Nevertheless, baring a charm effect I wouldn't force the player to accept the results of a haggle roll. It is still the player's choice to sell or not - but the NPC won't budge any farther.Lastly, as pointed out - 20% is the common rate for re-selling magic items. While I really disagree with how your DM reached the price, in the end the way result was more in line with the book value.I'm sure the DM has his/her side of the story, but they seem to be a jerk from how the story was presented.</blockquote>

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