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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 4413267" data-attributes="member: 71699">That's true... sometimes. I've a long running campaign in which the key villain is a Diplomancer. Usually she uses her diplomancy on NPCs to get them to do things favourable for her and unfavourable for the players. My players hate that in a good way. Occasionally she or a direct minion has used a charm or diplomantic effect on a player, and each time that player has endeavoured to roleplay their character appropriately. So my experience is that you can, sometimes, mind control player-characters and that isn't an issue. It can be fun and it makes a player loathe your villain in a way that just doing damage never will. You as DM shouldn't fear to charm or mind control or diplomance your PCs. If I have a criticsm of the OPs DM, it's for being a clumsy. The mayor should have had the town pre-diplomanced so that no one would consider offering more than his price, but never say that in so many words 'Sorry Sirs, we haven't that sort of money', and the DM should have used descriptions such as 'You can see that the mayor is offering you more than he can really afford, just to help you out' if the mayor beat the players' passive Insights. (Yes, passive Insight is the ideal value to use to resist active diplomancy.) Clumsy DM is clumsy. Don't fear mind control. -vk</blockquote>