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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shilsen" data-source="post: 3306011" data-attributes="member: 198">I think there's more of a similarity to the attack roll than you make out to be. When you make an attack roll and succeed, you roll damage. But you don't know for sure, until the DM tells you what it is, what the result of the damage will be. The enemy may be relatively unscathed, may be critically hurt, may drop dead, might be completely untouched (DR or other benefits), etc. Your success and its results are heavily mediated by the specific nature of the enemy and what the DM has decided about it (via hp, immunities, protective spells, etc). Diplomacy is much less codified, but similar.This I agree with totally. I would add the caveat that Helpful is not an objective category but varies with the given character, so what one NPC with a Helpful attitude will do for you can be very different from what another Helpful NPC would do.It's like the way the results of a successful Charm Person is still dependent on the target. He will regard you as a trusted friend and ally, but that's not going to mean the same thing to two different people with very different personalities.</blockquote>