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<blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 1258451" data-attributes="member: 8439"><p>I can only agree with that if the character is actually roleplaying diplomacy. I have no patience as a player or DM for players who think a stat or roll will magically negate the way their character is behaving. </p><p></p><p>My personal take on charisma is that it indicates force of personality - not likeability as much as noticability. A high strength character still has to apply it properly to get good results, and I see mental stats the same way. So if the high cha character is being played as a annoying twit, you find her a REALLY annoying twit... like her annoyingness drills into your skull and cannot be ignored. Her high charisma is making her social behaviour more effective - in this case, it is very effectively driving down your opinion of her. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> The fact that she has caused this shift in attitude then gives her very straightforward negitives to any skill check to turn around and try to reverse it... Her first attempt to diplomacy you will seem like the height of arrogance and ego.</p><p></p><p>(in the same way, a low cha character who is played as a really nice guy will get pretty good responses... once people notice him. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> )</p><p></p><p>kahuna burger</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kahuna Burger, post: 1258451, member: 8439"] I can only agree with that if the character is actually roleplaying diplomacy. I have no patience as a player or DM for players who think a stat or roll will magically negate the way their character is behaving. My personal take on charisma is that it indicates force of personality - not likeability as much as noticability. A high strength character still has to apply it properly to get good results, and I see mental stats the same way. So if the high cha character is being played as a annoying twit, you find her a REALLY annoying twit... like her annoyingness drills into your skull and cannot be ignored. Her high charisma is making her social behaviour more effective - in this case, it is very effectively driving down your opinion of her. :D The fact that she has caused this shift in attitude then gives her very straightforward negitives to any skill check to turn around and try to reverse it... Her first attempt to diplomacy you will seem like the height of arrogance and ego. (in the same way, a low cha character who is played as a really nice guy will get pretty good responses... once people notice him. :p ) kahuna burger [/QUOTE]
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