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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 1261521" data-attributes="member: 707">This is perfectly fine.  But it's a far cry from:Wouldn't you agree?The point here is that, IMO, the DM doesn't have the right to determine how a PC reacts, short of magical domination.  Even to a +20 Diplomacy check.  As a DM, I'm more than happy to slant the character's actions in a favorable (or unfavorable) light depending on how the roll goes, but if the actions are aimed at a PC, that PC's player still has the final say on how the PC reacts.For instance, Bunny the Playboy model has a high charisma and a super-high diplomacy.  She decides that she wants Ulfgar the Barbarian to place his leopard-skin cloak over a puddle, so she doesn't get her leather boots wet._________________________________Bunny:  I tell Ulfgar that I want him to put his leopard cloak over the puddle so I can walk over it.  I want to be really diplomatic.  Diplomacy roll: 40!  Woot!DM:  Okay, you look over at Ulfgar and in the sweetest, most persuasive tones, ask Ulfgar to show you a bit of the barbarian honor you've always heard about.  Ulfgar, she's pretty compelling, and she seems genuinely admiring.  She indicates that a truly honorable man would place his cloak over the puddle, to prevent a lady from getting wet.Ulfgar:  Sweet words won't work on Ulfgar!  His leopard-skin cloak is a sacred gift from his ancestors!  If Bunny wants to keep from getting wet, she can walk around!_________________________________Did Ulfgar go against the Diplomacy roll?  No.  Bunny was persuasive.  But it's Ulfgar's player's right to determine how his character reacts to that diplomacy.  Not Bunny's player's.  Not the DM's.To use the previous example,The princess can be as persuasive as can be.  It's still the other players' right to laugh outright at her demand that someone carry her.If PCs can be controlled through Diplomacy, this opens up a door that is NOT conductive to a good game, IMO.  It basically makes the bard/paladin/sorcerer's player the defacto ruler of the party, which may be fun for that player, but not for any of the others.</blockquote>

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