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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kerrick" data-source="post: 3858532" data-attributes="member: 4722">Yeah... that's the only major flaw in this system - there's no way to seriously influence someone you'll only meet once. I don't think that you should be able to move someone's attitude more than 1 step with a single check by any means, but there should be a way to boost someone that step up with a single (non-outrageous) roll in certain circumstances. I'll work on that and see what I can come up with.Edit: Okay... after thinking this over, I dropped the bonus you gain from a Diplomacy check to 1 point/3 points of the check result, instead of 1/5. This should make it easier for lower-level (or more moderate diplomats) to affect NPCs. Don't forget, too, that reputation factors in - the sorcerer and his friends could be well-known, and that would add a large bonus to attempts to sway others.I also thought up a quickie, single-shot method: Swaying an NPC's attitude by one step is a DC 20 check. You can make further checks, but each one increases the DC by +10. A failure means you can't attempt to influence that NPC again for 24 hours, and you lose a step of influence (effectively, you're being too pushy). So, for example, getting someone from Hostile to Friendly would require a total of 4 checks; if you did them all at once, it would be an end DC of 60. Or, you could split them up over the course of a day or two and lower the DC - say, get him to Indifferent one day, then start over at DC 20 the next day and try to get him to Friendly or Helpful. This is still kind of easy for a <a href="http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Politico_%28DnD_Character_Optimization%29" target="_blank">twinked-out PC</a>, but I guess I could just leave it to the DM to prevent unforseen abuses by his players.On an unrelated note, I've also got an idea for Perform checks tying into this - a bard makes an outstanding performance, frex, and that would grant him a huge but temporary bonus to Diplomacy checks for anyone in the audience.</blockquote>

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