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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dave Turner" data-source="post: 3197354" data-attributes="member: 12329">If you aren't going to make players actually climb walls, hide in shadows, or swing their greatswords, then it's fine to make them roll for social interaction as well.  If a character has 18 Strength and the player, for the sake of argument, would have the equivalent of 6 Strength, you don't make the player simulate breaking down a heavy oak door.  Characters are not the players.  If a character has 18 Charisma and the player has an equivalent of 6 Charisma, then let the player use the character's mechanical strengths, just as you would in any other facet of the game.  A player who isn't a good role-player/actor who makes a socially-focused character is just engaging in the same kind of wish fulfillment that the other players are involved in.  One player wishes he could be a kick-ass warrior, one player wishes he could be a powerful wizard, and one player wishes he were a silver-tongued devil.  The first two players get to fulfill their wishes through the rules.  Why deny the last player the same benefit?With that said, Diplomacy in the RAW leaves much to be desired.  But Diplomacy should be a viable way to overcome obstacles and resolve conflicts regardless of the player's role-playing ability.  Diplomacy is a mechanical skill in the game.  It should be treated that way.These are problems of adventure design and DMing, not the Diplomacy skill.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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