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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Madfox" data-source="post: 901515" data-attributes="member: 1714">In my experience some CRs are perfectly alright, but only against higher level opponents. So when that creature is used against a party of equal APL as CR of the creature, the creature wins easily. On the other hand, when using two such creatures against a party of APL of CR+2 the numbers are reasonable. The ogre is a prime example. One ogre against 6 1st lvl PCs is going to have an easy fight. Two ogres against 6 4th lvl PCs are going to be killed with an approximate expenditure of 25% resources.In any event, when designing encounters CR is a real useful tool. It assumes an average party though with standard treasure. If you don't have a standard party and/or standard treasure then it starts failing at the higher end. There are just situations where a DM has to be really alert:* 1 creatures of a higher CR then the party.* EnvironmentThat is not to say there are some monsters that have wrong CRs. Earth elementals and vermin spring to mind <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>