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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 907027" data-attributes="member: 151">I'm not sure I follow what you're saying here.&nbsp; The scorpion is CR 11.&nbsp; Why would we be discussing low-level parties in relation to it?&nbsp; A 9th level party will find this a dangerous encounter...by design.&nbsp; Not unbeatable, but potentially lethal.&nbsp; But with the relatively low damage output of the scorpion, one archer and a wizard could hold off the creature...with the aid of a cleric, they would do fine.Are you seriously trying to say that a party would have to be 40th level before they could reasonably deal with this creature?&nbsp; Because I think you must be playing some non-standard, very low magic and resource version of D&amp;D, and not core standard.&nbsp; How would you rate a CR 23 Winterwight, then?&nbsp; Your numbers are completely indicative of why I found UK's system to be faulty.&nbsp; CR 41/EL 22?&nbsp; How does that help the DM run his game?&nbsp; More math is the last thing a high-level DM needs.I think you have an intentional blind-spot here, especially as you appear to have been dodging the question.&nbsp; Go to the rules forum and search for one of the many archer threads, for example, to see the potential damage output of a 10th level archer and greatswordsman.&nbsp; <a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=31769&amp;perpage=40&amp;highlight=archer&amp;pagenumber=6" target="_blank">Like here, for example.</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; A fully equipped party with what is, in my experience, a normal spell load out, will handily deal with the scorpion.&nbsp; Multiple times, if need be...not without difficulty, but they can do it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 907027, member: 151"] I'm not sure I follow what you're saying here. The scorpion is CR 11. Why would we be discussing low-level parties in relation to it? A 9th level party will find this a dangerous encounter...by design. Not unbeatable, but potentially lethal. But with the relatively low damage output of the scorpion, one archer and a wizard could hold off the creature...with the aid of a cleric, they would do fine. Are you seriously trying to say that a party would have to be 40th level before they could reasonably deal with this creature? Because I think you must be playing some non-standard, very low magic and resource version of D&D, and not core standard. How would you rate a CR 23 Winterwight, then? Your numbers are completely indicative of why I found UK's system to be faulty. CR 41/EL 22? How does that help the DM run his game? More math is the last thing a high-level DM needs. I think you have an intentional blind-spot here, especially as you appear to have been dodging the question. Go to the rules forum and search for one of the many archer threads, for example, to see the potential damage output of a 10th level archer and greatswordsman. [URL=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31769&perpage=40&highlight=archer&pagenumber=6]Like here, for example.[/URL] A fully equipped party with what is, in my experience, a normal spell load out, will handily deal with the scorpion. Multiple times, if need be...not without difficulty, but they can do it. [/QUOTE]

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