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Message: <blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 908486" data-attributes="member: 151">Howdy, UK. Good to see you.   So, if I understand this correctly, your system equates a Winterwight as being an appropriate challenge for a party of 4 52nd-level PCs?  Well, we already agreed to disagree, I think.  Your system may actually work for you, but it just was too much work for me, especially as I tend to use templates, classed monsters and custom creatures on a regular basis.  Your system actually defeats, to me, what the whole purpose of the CR/EL system is, namely to give me a quick benchmark to work against when setting up encounters for my game.  I also tend to use a lot of material from other sources, such as last game, when I used Mark Chance's Death-Who-Hops.  I'd have to rework his numbers to your system, and any material so imported.Further, I just don't agree with the number your system generates.  I think it's swell that it delineates much more accurately the factors in a creature's difficulty....but unless I'm misinterpeting the numbers, they just don't gibe, for me.To return to the Winterwight: I had a party of 6 17th-18th level characters engage him, in a playing field that levelled several of the party's abilities (a field in the midst of a powerful blacksnow-storm).  Flight was essentially eliminated, ranged attacks were cut down, mobility was drastically reduced.  Some players were in danger of being blown away.  It's a CR 23 creature.  The most powerful weapon possessed was a +5 Blessed Holy weapon (Shatterspike, in the hands of the Paladin).  It was the most ambitious combat I had run since the party faced a buffed-up Nightscale two years prior.While he didn't go down like a ten-pin, and it was a hard fight...no one died, and they used about 35-40% of their resources.  The idea that the party wouldn't have been ready to engage him for another 35 levels or so just seems...well, silly.As for casting imprisonment on the Scorpion...Elminster most likely has spell resistance, if he's buffed.  And regardless, it's one spell....that's not even close to 20%.</blockquote>

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