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<blockquote data-quote="kreynolds" data-source="post: 908517" data-attributes="member: 2829"><p>Here is the core difference between UK's system and the core rules. The core rules assume that a monster will be fighting against 4 to 5 PCs, thus the monster's actual CR is lowered so that its EL is equal to the party level of the PCs. UKs system doesn't do that. It gives a true CR, then the EL is modified based on other factors, such as additional monsters and the number of PCs.</p><p></p><p>The proof is in the pudding of how the core rules work.</p><p></p><p>A 2nd-level PC fighter has a CR of 2 and an ECL of 2. We know this as simple fact. An ogre has a CR of 2, and get this, an ECL that is not 2. It's ECL is higher than it's CR. Why? Because it's CR has been lowered. Why? Because the CR is based upon the fact that this single ogre will be facing 4 or 5 PCs. It's CR does not assume a 1 on 1 fight. It's EL, however, is indeed a 2.</p><p></p><p>UK's system instead uses the creature's actual CR, then creates an EL to work with. It just works in the opposite direction. The benefit is that in this system CR damn near equals ECL (a flaw exists that actually prevents ECL and CR from being identical, such as "charging" PCs more for special abilities than you would for a monster, but good luck telling him that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kreynolds, post: 908517, member: 2829"] Here is the core difference between UK's system and the core rules. The core rules assume that a monster will be fighting against 4 to 5 PCs, thus the monster's actual CR is lowered so that its EL is equal to the party level of the PCs. UKs system doesn't do that. It gives a true CR, then the EL is modified based on other factors, such as additional monsters and the number of PCs. The proof is in the pudding of how the core rules work. A 2nd-level PC fighter has a CR of 2 and an ECL of 2. We know this as simple fact. An ogre has a CR of 2, and get this, an ECL that is not 2. It's ECL is higher than it's CR. Why? Because it's CR has been lowered. Why? Because the CR is based upon the fact that this single ogre will be facing 4 or 5 PCs. It's CR does not assume a 1 on 1 fight. It's EL, however, is indeed a 2. UK's system instead uses the creature's actual CR, then creates an EL to work with. It just works in the opposite direction. The benefit is that in this system CR damn near equals ECL (a flaw exists that actually prevents ECL and CR from being identical, such as "charging" PCs more for special abilities than you would for a monster, but good luck telling him that :)). [/QUOTE]
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