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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 911195" data-attributes="member: 326">Re: Re: Re: Limited use for new or epic?  Hello again LokiDR mate! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  Only Temporarily.  Be seeing you in a few months then. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Unfortunately I proffered them up to late to be included in 3.5 Determining Challenge Rating is not an art. Thats just propaganda that was put out because people previously didn't know how.  Thats fair enough. I appreciate your honesty. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />The epic rules work fine once you iron out the few flaws as I suggest (starting with CR)  I think most situations will fall into easily discernable common denominators.  Don't believe the hype. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />I outline all the benefits at the start of the pdf...you just caught the abbreviated version of that.Not a matter of belief. Simply a matter of fact.  On the contrary I can know exactly  If the Party are overtly specialised in some area then the odds are that this will even out over the course of their adventures. So I wouldn't unduly worry about this.Any specifics of the situation that drastically affect the encounter are handled under situational modifiers. One example is that using my CR system you can accurately restructure your campaign for low magic or high magic. In the final draft I will list every Monster Manual and Epic Level Handbook Monsters revised CR.  Well its there if you want to take a look, or you could wait for the article in Dragon Magazine *touch wood*. That said I haven't given it to them yet but I did get talking to people in both WotC and Paizo about it.  Perhaps, but to me that makes no difference as to how we rate Challenge Rating.Monster advancement made easy, monster creation made easy, monster tinkering made easy. Perfect CRs and ECLs every time, no guesswork involved. Thanks, I'll look into it. I presume you mean from the official rules you are used to...?   I figured both. You stipulated they were all 5th-level (and you didn't mention templates and the like). Therefore the average Party Level was 5th.CR 5 = EL 10 in my system. You suggested 7 PCs which adds +5 to EL. Party Encounter Level is always four less than if the group were treated as opponents. Thats why EL +4 is always a 50/50 encounter.So its PEL (Party Encounter Level) 11 They are CR 7 by my system. I don't trust the official rules. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  Everytime you double the Challenge Rating Encounter Level increases by four. That is the mantra of my system, born out by playtesting.eg.CR 1 = EL 1CR 2 = EL 5CR 4 = EL 9CR 8 = EL 13CR 16 = EL 17etc.Of course the pdf also fills in all the gaps inbetween.But also Encounter Levels in my system are relative. So the difference between CR 33 and CR 22 is EL +/-2 (x1.5 or x2/3rds).  I don't use standard EL though. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Absolutely. Like I said its 50/50. Its definately getting published; since it forms the Appendices of the Immortals Handbook I am designing.However, I will probably submit it to Dragon Magazine as well, thats what Ed Stark suggested after he told me it was outside the window of opportunity for 3.5.They are all d20 though.</blockquote>

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