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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Coredump" data-source="post: 920330" data-attributes="member: 6939">Anubis, did you miss the part where UK asked you to chill a bit? Not that you have to listen to him, or anyone else, but come-on; this is meant to be a pretty friendly discussion. It *is* possible for someone to come to a different opinion without being 'wrong'.  Being 'too hard' isn't relavent. UK is trying to communicate information; as such he is *obligated* to assume fault for any communication gaffs. If he decides he is not the problem, than he can't supply the solution, and stagnates.This becomes particulaly important when dealing with detailed information like this, since it is hard to tell if something is a well written 'easy concept' or a poorly written 'hard concept'. If UK wants his system to be acceptable he has to do everything possible to make it simple to understand. Ah, but you have a logic flaw here. You state that it is more 'accurate', and then claim that it is therefore 'better'. I have not reached an opinion yet, but my most likely complaint is that it is unnecessarily accurate.If you are trying to find out how many inches something is, do you need a tool that is accurate for millimeters?ie. Assuming that any EL based on just CR will have to adjusted +/-1 due to specific party make-up (not mentioning situational modifiers). Then how important is it to be *exactly* accurate? Better? sure, but what benefit for what 'difficulty'. (UK, I realize that theoretically, there will be no 'difficulty'; just making a point.)Plus, even considering a list from WotC and a list from UK; how many creatures will be significantly different EL?Also realize, that many people do not play Epic, where the 'problems' with WotC CR are amplified.UK Okay, but does it matter? From what I can tell, WotC is saying that the Pit Fiend is CR 20, therefore EL 20.Your method says CR 30, which still translates to an EL of 20. So what is the difference?</blockquote>

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