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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Belphanior" data-source="post: 1009031" data-attributes="member: 12401">No it doesn't. My PCs have plenty of cross-class skills, and while they are not as good as the classes that are supposed to be experts at it (duh!), they do not suck at all. It was not cleric-specific because any orc could have said it. There is nothing that ties it to clerics specifically.How dumb are orcs in your campaign anyway...?Regardless, Gruumsh had nothing to do with this. I'd give the credit to Grishnak's skill ranks, his wisdom score, and a good ol' D20.If Gruumsh had helped him out, he would've given him...A Guidance for an extra +1 bonusA Zone of TruthA Detect LiesHmm...Isn't it interesting that clerics have anti-lie spells, similar to how they have spells to detect other things they can't do with skills alone (such as Find Traps and Locate Objects)? Maybe we should give them Search as well, seeing as how clerics sure do need to keep finding stuff all the time.I've got a quote about a halfling cleric who lost his shoelaces to prove it too!My first guess would be something like "because they're two different classes." What's the similarity here? They cast divine spells? Heck, let's give those druids and rangers their comeuppance as well.My second guess would be: because paladins are meant to be championing good and ferret out corruption. Maybe that's why they also get Detect Evil at will?Clerics are servants of a god, and nothing more. They do not need to take care of "the flock" or anything like that.EDITApart from the extra smites, the stronger smites,  the extra remove diseases, the improved mount, the extra spells, the higher caster level, and the improved turn undead.Oh, and roleplaying your character.You're right, no reasons at all. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> This is an opinion without anything to substantiate it. I know a guy who thinks extra smites are too powerful, so I guess your opinion is not quite universally shared. Similar to how you would give them "more cool powers" and could "make a better revision", I'm sure. At least you've got your priorities straight, right?(Yes, I know there's some vitriol here.)</blockquote>

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