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<blockquote data-quote="Elvinis75" data-source="post: 1009337" data-attributes="member: 4379">Sorry gang I would have to agree with Iron on the issue of whether Cleric should have sense motive.&nbsp; Looking at most of todays organized religions it is easy to say that the goal of the priest, rabi …etc is to connect with the people.&nbsp; This means that they are not just speaking.&nbsp; They are listening and trying to understand a persons problems and situation.I’m not sure that it applies to all religions but they are sometimes marriage counselors and need to be able to see people are not telling the whole story.&nbsp; Priests deal with people and thus should have a good sense of them.&nbsp; They talk to them and have people that confide in them.&nbsp; Help people to deal with tragedy and would have need to be able to see through people that are blocking.&nbsp; Just my opinion but I think that Iron Chef nailed this one.As to the idea that this is a stereotype I say so what.&nbsp; So What!&nbsp; Every class in that PHB is a stereotype.&nbsp; All PCs of this or that class having all the same skills.&nbsp; What is that if not a stereotype?&nbsp; So if they are going to use stereotype why not try to get it right.Heck for some priesthoods, read evil priesthoods, bluff should be a class skill.&nbsp; Lying and brainwashing to make them do what you want.I don’t have the 3.5 Yet and I’m going to look over the combat section and see if it is worth buying.&nbsp; I also think that the lack of new art is disappointing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Elvinis75, post: 1009337, member: 4379"] Sorry gang I would have to agree with Iron on the issue of whether Cleric should have sense motive. Looking at most of todays organized religions it is easy to say that the goal of the priest, rabi …etc is to connect with the people. This means that they are not just speaking. They are listening and trying to understand a persons problems and situation. I’m not sure that it applies to all religions but they are sometimes marriage counselors and need to be able to see people are not telling the whole story. Priests deal with people and thus should have a good sense of them. They talk to them and have people that confide in them. Help people to deal with tragedy and would have need to be able to see through people that are blocking. Just my opinion but I think that Iron Chef nailed this one. As to the idea that this is a stereotype I say so what. So What! Every class in that PHB is a stereotype. All PCs of this or that class having all the same skills. What is that if not a stereotype? So if they are going to use stereotype why not try to get it right. Heck for some priesthoods, read evil priesthoods, bluff should be a class skill. Lying and brainwashing to make them do what you want. I don’t have the 3.5 Yet and I’m going to look over the combat section and see if it is worth buying. I also think that the lack of new art is disappointing. [/QUOTE]

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