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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Estlor" data-source="post: 1009681" data-attributes="member: 7261">There are a couple of fundamental misunderstandings going on here.First is the nature of the skills in question.  Sense Motive doesn't make you a genius, it makes you a great judge of character.  Being that is it a Wisdom skill that you can use untrained, the implication of the designers is that strong wisdom makes you naturally good at the skill, but individuals who have a need of it in their line of work (rogues, paladins) are outstanding at doing it through practice.So, clerics tend to be decent at making these judgements naturally.  They don't have quite the same amount of practice as others might, but with some effort they can improve the natural gift they have at it.As for detecting lies, which seems to be all Iron_Chief is worried about Sense Motive for, not everyone takes ranks in Bluff either.  So John Q. Cleric can't figure out is the rogue or bard is lying to him - neither can the baby Jesus because they're AMAZING at fibbing.The second misunderstanding is what a cleric is.  Iron_Chief seems to be saying cleric = priest.  While this is sometimes the case, every cleric is not a priest.  A cleric is a worshipper of a god with martial skills and a devoted calling to live their faith.  The cleric that is a priest would need to be a judge of character, but the cleric that defends the temple is only concerned with defense.  You pigeonhole the cleric into the role of priest by your understanding.  Classes that have skills as class skills do so because every member benefits from it and uses it often.  Rogues lie.  Paladins judge people.  Wizards know stuff.  Fighters drag heavy stuff up slopes.  Rangers live off the land.  You get the idea.I'll tell you something.  There is a school of thought in the real world that believes intense faith in something makes you less perceptive.  Dogma often reduces fuzzy topics into clear black and white to make it easier on the people that believe it.</blockquote>

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