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<blockquote data-quote="Elvinis75" data-source="post: 1009845" data-attributes="member: 4379">So let me get this straight.&nbsp; The common belief is that a Paladin can judge people because he has detect evil?&nbsp; Or is it that they are more agressive in nature?Frankly nearly all of the abilities the paladin walks around with are duplications of the cleric.&nbsp; Being the game is built around reality as a base I wholeheartedly challenge the idea that priests are not trained on how to deal with people and problems.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes&nbsp; &nbsp; :rolleyes:"&nbsp; data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> They have great needs to know people and what they believe or don't.&nbsp; The skill is clear and give one example of what the skill can be used for.&nbsp; &quot;Hunch: This use of the skill essentially means making a gut assessment of the social situation. The character can get the feeling from another's behavior that something is wrong, such as when the character is talking to an impostor. Alternatively, the character can get the feeling that someone is trustworthy.&quot;The priests that I know at church deal with this all the time.&nbsp; Whether it be premarriage screening, marriage counciling, grief counciling, life advice.&nbsp; Heck, the clergy could be considered old school psychiatrists.&nbsp; The way that I see it a cleric and paladin should get this skill for the opposite reason than the rogue.&nbsp; The rogue deals with bad people trying to act good.&nbsp; The clergy sees good people trying to hide the bad traits within.&nbsp; The reason that they both see through the behavior is that people have what poker players call tells.&nbsp; Behaviors and mannerisms that point to the fact that they are not being truthful.&nbsp; Looking away instead of looking them in the eye.&nbsp; Body language and other things.&nbsp; I still believe that there is a reason why the cleric should have the skill.I think that the reason that they know people is more than the fact that they are wise.&nbsp; They deal with people all the time.On the issue of the war priest:I think that is where the options of shifting out this skill for that comes in.&nbsp; I think that a small section on p. 92 after the gods section talks about personalizing characters.&nbsp; I think that they should have someelse in place of sense motive.&nbsp; Again this is all opinion.&nbsp; That is where the great rule 0 comes in.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Elvinis75, post: 1009845, member: 4379"] So let me get this straight. The common belief is that a Paladin can judge people because he has detect evil? Or is it that they are more agressive in nature? Frankly nearly all of the abilities the paladin walks around with are duplications of the cleric. Being the game is built around reality as a base I wholeheartedly challenge the idea that priests are not trained on how to deal with people and problems.:rolleyes: They have great needs to know people and what they believe or don't. The skill is clear and give one example of what the skill can be used for. "Hunch: This use of the skill essentially means making a gut assessment of the social situation. The character can get the feeling from another's behavior that something is wrong, such as when the character is talking to an impostor. Alternatively, the character can get the feeling that someone is trustworthy." The priests that I know at church deal with this all the time. Whether it be premarriage screening, marriage counciling, grief counciling, life advice. Heck, the clergy could be considered old school psychiatrists. The way that I see it a cleric and paladin should get this skill for the opposite reason than the rogue. The rogue deals with bad people trying to act good. The clergy sees good people trying to hide the bad traits within. The reason that they both see through the behavior is that people have what poker players call tells. Behaviors and mannerisms that point to the fact that they are not being truthful. Looking away instead of looking them in the eye. Body language and other things. I still believe that there is a reason why the cleric should have the skill. I think that the reason that they know people is more than the fact that they are wise. They deal with people all the time. On the issue of the war priest: I think that is where the options of shifting out this skill for that comes in. I think that a small section on p. 92 after the gods section talks about personalizing characters. I think that they should have someelse in place of sense motive. Again this is all opinion. That is where the great rule 0 comes in. [/QUOTE]

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