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<blockquote data-quote="dm4hire" data-source="post: 4531914" data-attributes="member: 14848">He either doesn't feel like it or though capable, didn't learn it for one reason or another maybe even choosing not too.&nbsp; Anyone is capable of anything, it comes down to personal drive and outside effects within our lives.&nbsp; Anyone can run for president if they have the desire and motivation and the outside effects of being born in the U.S.A., meet the age requirement, and find supporters to help fund and run their campaign.My aspect of this debate points out that the potential is still there whether revealed or not.&nbsp; That potential doesn't exist in 4e, but possibly after the Arcane book.&nbsp; There was more customization in previous editions for mages or any other class with the limitations being set by the DM and the player the way it should be done, not by the rules themselves.&nbsp; The exception to the rule were the martial based classes who now get some of that aspect, but the problem as stated is that customization feels like you're using a cookie cutter.&nbsp; Fighter x is different than y only in how he fights and by the weapon he chooses.&nbsp; The same can be said for wizards in that damage is still pretty much the same between all forms.&nbsp; The only real difference as pointed out is fluff or how you describe your character's actions.As for believability...using powers for several levels and suddenly your character completely forgets them...that's believable???&nbsp; &quot;You know I swore I had fireball in this spellbook, oh well, guess I'll cast something else.&nbsp; Let's see...&quot;&nbsp; I remember a few games hearing a player suddenly say, &quot;I never thought I'd have a reason to use this spell but now I can't wait to try this out.&quot;Betote:&nbsp; Thanks for your list.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dm4hire, post: 4531914, member: 14848"] He either doesn't feel like it or though capable, didn't learn it for one reason or another maybe even choosing not too. Anyone is capable of anything, it comes down to personal drive and outside effects within our lives. Anyone can run for president if they have the desire and motivation and the outside effects of being born in the U.S.A., meet the age requirement, and find supporters to help fund and run their campaign. My aspect of this debate points out that the potential is still there whether revealed or not. That potential doesn't exist in 4e, but possibly after the Arcane book. There was more customization in previous editions for mages or any other class with the limitations being set by the DM and the player the way it should be done, not by the rules themselves. The exception to the rule were the martial based classes who now get some of that aspect, but the problem as stated is that customization feels like you're using a cookie cutter. Fighter x is different than y only in how he fights and by the weapon he chooses. The same can be said for wizards in that damage is still pretty much the same between all forms. The only real difference as pointed out is fluff or how you describe your character's actions. As for believability...using powers for several levels and suddenly your character completely forgets them...that's believable??? "You know I swore I had fireball in this spellbook, oh well, guess I'll cast something else. Let's see..." I remember a few games hearing a player suddenly say, "I never thought I'd have a reason to use this spell but now I can't wait to try this out." Betote: Thanks for your list. [/QUOTE]

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