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<blockquote data-quote="Fifth Element" data-source="post: 4542045" data-attributes="member: 48135"><p>You want me to type from page 82 again, don't you? Very well, here's what Mr. Gygax wrote.</p><p></p><p><em>"Why then the increase in hit points [from levelling]? Because these reflect both the actual physical ability to withstand damage...and a commensurate increase in such areas as <strong>skill in combat and similar life-or-death situations, the "sixth sense" which warns the individual of some otherwise unforeseen events, sheer luck, and the fantastic provisions of magical protections and/or divine protection</strong>."</em></p><p></p><p>Now, later in the passage is the implication that each "hit" does inflict some amount of physical damage, however it may only be a scratch.</p><p></p><p>Given the number of intangible, non-physical sources of hit points enumerated by Mr. Gygax, I think the contention that morale cannot possibly make up part of hit points is indefensible.</p><p></p><p>The hit point system is abstract. You may find it silly that a creature could be defeated by "morale damage" alone, but that is a consequence of an abstract system. Corner cases will seem strange. But the vast majority of the time, the damage caused to a creature will not come from a single source, and the abstract system works well.</p><p></p><p>I think I see how you interpret the DMG passages to mean that hit points only represents physical damage. But I don't think that interpretation is obvious or a given, considering that the passage discusses the maximum capacity a person would have to withstand actual physical damage, and that "<em>[t]he balance of accrued hit points are those which fall into the non-physical areas already detailed</em>." This spells out in quite plain language that <strong>some</strong> of a character's hit points do not represent the physical capacity to withstand damage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fifth Element, post: 4542045, member: 48135"] You want me to type from page 82 again, don't you? Very well, here's what Mr. Gygax wrote. [I]"Why then the increase in hit points [from levelling]? Because these reflect both the actual physical ability to withstand damage...and a commensurate increase in such areas as [B]skill in combat and similar life-or-death situations, the "sixth sense" which warns the individual of some otherwise unforeseen events, sheer luck, and the fantastic provisions of magical protections and/or divine protection[/B]."[/I] Now, later in the passage is the implication that each "hit" does inflict some amount of physical damage, however it may only be a scratch. Given the number of intangible, non-physical sources of hit points enumerated by Mr. Gygax, I think the contention that morale cannot possibly make up part of hit points is indefensible. The hit point system is abstract. You may find it silly that a creature could be defeated by "morale damage" alone, but that is a consequence of an abstract system. Corner cases will seem strange. But the vast majority of the time, the damage caused to a creature will not come from a single source, and the abstract system works well. I think I see how you interpret the DMG passages to mean that hit points only represents physical damage. But I don't think that interpretation is obvious or a given, considering that the passage discusses the maximum capacity a person would have to withstand actual physical damage, and that "[I][t]he balance of accrued hit points are those which fall into the non-physical areas already detailed[/I]." This spells out in quite plain language that [B]some[/B] of a character's hit points do not represent the physical capacity to withstand damage. [/QUOTE]
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