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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LostSoul" data-source="post: 4543476" data-attributes="member: 386">So I'm going back and reading that thread.Most examples are, "Let's narrate something we know won't make sense and complain how 4e doesn't make sense!"Those examples are like me saying 1e ran like this:"The troll claw/claw/bites you for 14 damage.  The troll warps into an anime rock star, Sailor Moon-style, and blasts you with his wicked axe wailing powers!"I guess 1e is Sailor Moon, the RPG.  Wow!  Never realized that. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />It's like the example above.  How does that show that you must spit out narration like that in 4e?Here's the thing: Yes, you can describe wounds that will be absurd.  You could do this in all previous editions.  Your claim is that you must do this, that the system produces absurd results, full stop.My claim is that the absurdity depends on the ability of the players.Here are some examples:[sblock]Example 1:Example 1:  Let's say it's a fighter with 30 hp who takes 24 damage, which is more consistent with the numbers.  Let's say it's two things: a White Dragon critting with his breath (22 dmg) and a couple of kobold dragonshield hits.White Dragon: I say, "I raise my shield against its freezing breath, and I can feel the cold seeping into my bones, slowing me down."Kobolds: I say, "The first one stabs at me, but the lethal blow is turned into a bruise by my mail.  Then, out of position, I barely bring up my sword in time to block the other's slash, sending jarring pain down through my arm."Awesome.  1 down.Example 2:I think the problem is that they decided to cut the arm off a guy who is still up and fighting.  I blame player skill.  This would be the same (except the standard "warlord/dragonborn" rant) in previous editions.Example 3:(Yes, I cut the part out about not having long-term injuries.  I agree with that; it's not part of D&D.)This is another example of stupid narration or poor player skill.Example 4:Lance describes the bad wound to the hip.  It stays around his whole career; it never goes away.  Even after it heals up, the pain still lingers.Is this a Schrödinger's Wounding problem, or players deciding to describe things in absurd ways?Example 5:(Not really an example, but a good one)You can describe some wounds as deadly, but I wouldn't if doing so bothered you.If you go down to a "non-deadly" wound: "You get smacked on the back with the hammer.  You see blackness... now do you have the will to get back up?"Example 6:I replied in the thread:To which Fenes replies:And I reply: Example 7:Of course Inigo needs medical attention later.  That's what Extended Rests are for.  (Yes, they heal up too much too fast; I've never defended that.)In LotR: the 4e game, Frodo finds the will; his player doesn't describe the wound going away because he wants to play it up.  When he gets a chance, he describes Frodo taking an extended rest.The "day-in, day-out" - by which I assume you mean getting stabbed again and again - is only absurd if you choose to let it be.  Player skill and all that.Example 8:Here I see a successful check in a skill challenge, not an encounter.[/sblock]There.  Examples done.  Now please show me where I was forced to do these:(1) avoid all narrative description of the results of combat, (2) retcon the narrative description of the results of combat, or (3) re-write the 4e rules pertaining to damage and healing.</blockquote>

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