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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lacyon" data-source="post: 4545224" data-attributes="member: 63046">You can't convince me that this particular shift happened in 4E, because 3E doesn't require bed rest for that "major" damage either. You'll also have difficulty convincing me that this shift has much to do (directly) with hp, because, as you note, the hp can be recovered well before the "major" damage, which has to be tracked and recovered from separately (and anyone attempting to kill you still presumably has to whittle away your HP to do so, even though you barely have the strength to crawl). It's a system tangential to HP, designed specifically to allow a character to not-die when hp run out. 4E has a markedly different not-die mechanic, but the hp themselves are all still the same. The actual, real, radical paradigm shifts in 4E hp are linked to the concept of healing surges:1) There's a cap on the number of times per day a character can be healed...1a) ...except for certain rare effects (mostly Cleric daily powers) can bypass this limit.2) Healing is proportional to the maximum potential of the character being restored...2a) ...except for healing potions which heal a fixed number independent of a character's potential (making them a sort of wildcard)  I've seen plenty of "When 3E came out I thought [X] was awesome, but I've changed my mind". I've started to see some of that for 4E as well. This says little about the nature of the systems, and some about the individuals involved. So it's hard to see who you're referring to when you tell me that some people who said X now say Y and deny saying X. It's also hard to tell how that relates to the current conversation. (Again with the maybe these little jabs in your post are being counterproductive).</blockquote>

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