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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 4546438" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>In 3.5, you can Cleave with a punching dagger, you can use Deflect Arrows to save yourself from a javelin, and you can only take move actions when a swarm of bats make you Nauseated.</p><p></p><p>The names don't restrict the mechanics. Cleave doesn't require you to hack things in half; Deflect Arrows works on things that aren't arrows; and you can be Nauseated without necessarily being nauseated.</p><p></p><p>In 4E, it's the same... the Sleep spell doesn't use the rules for sleeping, for example. But while the Sleep spell grants the Unconscious condition, I have no issue with saying that the victim falls asleep... but the underlying mechanics are Unconscious (Save Ends), not the mechanics for a sleeping creature.</p><p></p><p>Similarly, as long as the rules for the Unconscious condition are observed, I could use them for someone who is paralyzed, or who is too weak to move, or who is actually comatose.</p><p></p><p>'Comatose' is not a <em>requirement</em> of the Unconscious condition. It's a possible cinematic explanation of the mechanics of the condition, but it's not the only one.</p><p></p><p>Just like arrows are one thing that the Deflect Arrows feat can deflect in 3.5, but they're not the only one.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 4546438, member: 1656"] In 3.5, you can Cleave with a punching dagger, you can use Deflect Arrows to save yourself from a javelin, and you can only take move actions when a swarm of bats make you Nauseated. The names don't restrict the mechanics. Cleave doesn't require you to hack things in half; Deflect Arrows works on things that aren't arrows; and you can be Nauseated without necessarily being nauseated. In 4E, it's the same... the Sleep spell doesn't use the rules for sleeping, for example. But while the Sleep spell grants the Unconscious condition, I have no issue with saying that the victim falls asleep... but the underlying mechanics are Unconscious (Save Ends), not the mechanics for a sleeping creature. Similarly, as long as the rules for the Unconscious condition are observed, I could use them for someone who is paralyzed, or who is too weak to move, or who is actually comatose. 'Comatose' is not a [i]requirement[/i] of the Unconscious condition. It's a possible cinematic explanation of the mechanics of the condition, but it's not the only one. Just like arrows are one thing that the Deflect Arrows feat can deflect in 3.5, but they're not the only one. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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