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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fifth Element" data-source="post: 4546475" data-attributes="member: 48135">No, I'm just trying to understand why you seem unable to understand some arguments coming from the 4E fan side. I thought perhaps your lack of knowledge about the rules could be a contributing factor.Who are you referring to? I hope it's not me, since (for instance) I know very well that the effects of the Unconscious condition are in 4E. I may not have played the game, but I have learned the rules quite well in my preparations to run it, which should be within the next month.Sadly, there is a good reason I put that in my sig. In my "h8er of invalid arguments" mode, I have been frequently referred to as a 4E fanboy. I had to explain it several times, and I got tired of it and finally put it in my sig. Of course, I've had to explain it several times since then anyway. Take from that what you may.</blockquote>