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<blockquote data-quote="Fifth Element" data-source="post: 4549111" data-attributes="member: 48135"><p>You're still conflating two meanings of "try" here. If my character were not unconscious, and I said "I try to stand up", the DM would say "What do you mean? You either stand up or you don't."</p><p></p><p>Why? Because in mechanical terms, "try" has no meaning with respect to standing up. If you able to do it and declare it as your action, you do it. There may be subsequent repercussions, but you do it.</p><p></p><p>If you unable to do it, then you can't do it even if you declare you are doing it. "Try" has no mechanical meaning here. It can therefore only be colour.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Fine, you win. LostSoul's criteria needs to be modified or rephrased.</p><p></p><p>Actually, maybe not. If an enemy has a readied action "I attack if he gets up", then the jig-dancing does impact resolution. The creature gets an immediate reaction to the jig-dancing. This clearly impacts resolution of the encounter.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, "try" has no meaning in game terms in this case. So it can only be colour.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fifth Element, post: 4549111, member: 48135"] You're still conflating two meanings of "try" here. If my character were not unconscious, and I said "I try to stand up", the DM would say "What do you mean? You either stand up or you don't." Why? Because in mechanical terms, "try" has no meaning with respect to standing up. If you able to do it and declare it as your action, you do it. There may be subsequent repercussions, but you do it. If you unable to do it, then you can't do it even if you declare you are doing it. "Try" has no mechanical meaning here. It can therefore only be colour. Fine, you win. LostSoul's criteria needs to be modified or rephrased. Actually, maybe not. If an enemy has a readied action "I attack if he gets up", then the jig-dancing does impact resolution. The creature gets an immediate reaction to the jig-dancing. This clearly impacts resolution of the encounter. Again, "try" has no meaning in game terms in this case. So it can only be colour. [/QUOTE]
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