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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 4549120" data-attributes="member: 18280">Really?  Because, IME, the DM would either say, "You stand up" or "The ogre tries to whack you down before you can stand up; make a Reflex save" or something of that nature.Why? Because in mechanical terms, merely because you attempt to stand up doesn't mean that you are able to do it.  Try always has meaning with respect to standing up, or anything else, even if that meaning isn't often necessarily used.  If you declare it as your action, and you able to do it, you do it.  There may be subsequent repercussions, or things that prevent you from standing (sliding floor, trying to stand up on slippery tilty ice, an ogre trying to prevent you from standing), so you may not do it."I X" always means "I try to X" because you never know for certain that a die roll, or an outright failure to succeed, isn't in the offing.If you unable to do it, then you can't do it even if you declare you are doing it.  Your declaration of what you are doing, in fact, has no mechanical meaning except that it denotes that you try.Really?Really?Well, LostSoul's initial "colour" had the fighter start to claw his way up the wall, and then collapse, so I guess that wasn't colour either.  The creature gets an immediate reaction to the wall-clawing-upward.  And I guess, then, "4e can be a good game if you violate the rules" is back on.RC</blockquote>