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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fifth Element" data-source="post: 4549241" data-attributes="member: 48135">You don't see the mechanical difference there? The ogre does not smack you back down when you intend to get off the floor, or wish you could get off the floor, or in the case when you roll a death save. He smacks you when you get off the floor, or when you start to get off the floor. When you use a move action to get off the floor. If it's an immediate interrupt, the ogre smacks you before you are able to finish getting off the floor. If it's an immediate reaction, the ogre smacks you after you have finished getting up.If the ogre succeeds in smacking you back down, you have still used your move action. Without you using an action, the attack is not triggered.If you wanted to get up but could not, the ogre would not smack you. The DM might say "You try to rise but you have no strength and remain on the ground", because according to the rules you are not allowed to stand up.The ogre's action would not be triggered unless you were able to get up, in game terms.Yes, really, or else I wouldn't have written it.The starting to claw up the wall, and then collapsing, is pure flavour. It's a way to describe what's happening. He's not actually using a move action to stand up, and that it what would trigger the reaction. If you do not use an action in game terms, then there is nothing that triggers the reaction.Actually dancing a jig requires actually getting up, which requires an actual move action to accomplish.This is what I mean about your possibly weak knowledge of 4E rules interfering with your understanding of the discussion. You claim that something that uses a move action (getting up and dancing, which would actually be two move actions, one to get up and one to dance) is exactly the same as something that does not use a move action (describing your death save as attempting to get up but failing).</blockquote>

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