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<blockquote data-quote="N0Man" data-source="post: 4870064" data-attributes="member: 64066">I think I was guilty of subconscious plagiarism.&nbsp; Apparently there is a only a single monster that has a disarm effect, and that is &quot;Jarlaxle Baenre&quot; from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide, and it is also called &quot;Flashy Disarm&quot;.&nbsp; I had chosen that name to represent that it would be a kind of swashbuckler disarm based on finesse, speed, and skill rather than brute force.I think you misunderstood the intent of the at-will.&nbsp; It's not an additional penalty to add on to losing the effect itself, but rather to emulate the loss of weapon.&nbsp; The -2 to hit is to emulate the loss of weapon proficiency.&nbsp; The -2 in damage was my way of reflecting reducing damage from wielding a weapon to unarmed attacks.&nbsp; This is just a quick and easy simplification to avoid having to worry about different size weapons, different sized enemies, and the difference between minion and normal damage.In 4E, creatures don't need magical weapons in order to get gains in hit and damage (which I find rather convenient and makes life easier for the DM with the only thing lost are simulationist stats that are usually behind the DM screen anyway, but my friend thinks is &quot;stupid&quot;.)I could have also referenced the type of weapon it was using to come up with the penalty, and also could just change the [W] for all weapon attacks to 1d4, but that wouldn't seem right for minions or for large or huge weapon wielding creatures.My concern is that that if this is a typical and normal combat maneuver, then it seems just as likely that NPCs can do it to PCs as PCs do it to NPCs.&nbsp; If NPCs were to suffer the same penalties as PCs did, I think it would be overpowered as well as not conform to the rules on how NPCs are designed.I don't think that 4E does a good job of accounting for a disarm mechanic that doesn't feel broken... but I think that was the case in 3E as well.&nbsp; That's why I thought I'd just &quot;fake it&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="N0Man, post: 4870064, member: 64066"] I think I was guilty of subconscious plagiarism. Apparently there is a only a single monster that has a disarm effect, and that is "Jarlaxle Baenre" from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide, and it is also called "Flashy Disarm". I had chosen that name to represent that it would be a kind of swashbuckler disarm based on finesse, speed, and skill rather than brute force. I think you misunderstood the intent of the at-will. It's not an additional penalty to add on to losing the effect itself, but rather to emulate the loss of weapon. The -2 to hit is to emulate the loss of weapon proficiency. The -2 in damage was my way of reflecting reducing damage from wielding a weapon to unarmed attacks. This is just a quick and easy simplification to avoid having to worry about different size weapons, different sized enemies, and the difference between minion and normal damage. In 4E, creatures don't need magical weapons in order to get gains in hit and damage (which I find rather convenient and makes life easier for the DM with the only thing lost are simulationist stats that are usually behind the DM screen anyway, but my friend thinks is "stupid".) I could have also referenced the type of weapon it was using to come up with the penalty, and also could just change the [W] for all weapon attacks to 1d4, but that wouldn't seem right for minions or for large or huge weapon wielding creatures. My concern is that that if this is a typical and normal combat maneuver, then it seems just as likely that NPCs can do it to PCs as PCs do it to NPCs. If NPCs were to suffer the same penalties as PCs did, I think it would be overpowered as well as not conform to the rules on how NPCs are designed. I don't think that 4E does a good job of accounting for a disarm mechanic that doesn't feel broken... but I think that was the case in 3E as well. That's why I thought I'd just "fake it". [/QUOTE]

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