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<blockquote data-quote="generalhenry" data-source="post: 4357531" data-attributes="member: 41422">That where inferior to fighters at both archer and two weapon fighting.I will admit I skipped 1E and so I'm talking 2E here, but in 2E Fighters, paladins and rangers where warriors.&nbsp; Same attack bonus HP etc..The same was true in 3E.&nbsp; It wasn't until 3.5 that they started to shift.&nbsp; But even then they where inferior since the fighter hadn't given up his martial superiority.4E is the first edition where rangers do more damage than fighters.&nbsp; No I don't think it's because they copied WoW hunters.&nbsp; I think it's because they copied the design philosophy for balancing classes. That game play balanced trumps all other factors.&nbsp;&nbsp; Fighters may be the masters of weapons, but that does not mean that other classes shouldn't out damage them with weapons.Yes I am aware the hunter is a lot more influenced by the ranger than the other way around.&nbsp; But the important part isn't to look at what stayed the same.&nbsp; It's to look at what changed.&nbsp; &nbsp; I will admit it's a weak example.Most the shift really occurred in the fighter class.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="generalhenry, post: 4357531, member: 41422"] That where inferior to fighters at both archer and two weapon fighting. I will admit I skipped 1E and so I'm talking 2E here, but in 2E Fighters, paladins and rangers where warriors. Same attack bonus HP etc.. The same was true in 3E. It wasn't until 3.5 that they started to shift. But even then they where inferior since the fighter hadn't given up his martial superiority. 4E is the first edition where rangers do more damage than fighters. No I don't think it's because they copied WoW hunters. I think it's because they copied the design philosophy for balancing classes. That game play balanced trumps all other factors. Fighters may be the masters of weapons, but that does not mean that other classes shouldn't out damage them with weapons. Yes I am aware the hunter is a lot more influenced by the ranger than the other way around. But the important part isn't to look at what stayed the same. It's to look at what changed. I will admit it's a weak example. Most the shift really occurred in the fighter class. [/QUOTE]

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