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<blockquote data-quote="Starfox" data-source="post: 6003527" data-attributes="member: 2303">The issue, to me, is that if my group doesn't use Advanced Player's Guide, it is clear that Disarm can do what Steal does.&nbsp; The expansion book adds new options, but does that mean that it can remove old options without explicitly saying so?I guess whoever wrote the Steal rules had missed the carried word in the Disarm description. About using diasarm/steal with Sleight of Hand, that is very useful. Not only can you have skill ranks equal to your level (instead of BAB equal to 3/4 of your level as a rogue), you also get to add 3 for a trained skill and possibly traits/feats/race to add further bonuses. And you ignore size penalties if you are Small. You still seem to provoke an AoO and suffer a -4 penalty if unarmed, it seems, so further feats are needed for this to be really good. Seems to me you do get the bonus on disarm checks on these feats, the effect is not tied to CMB. Depending on how you read the ability, you can still use this with a weapon and get enhancement and weapon bonuses.Quite a useful option for a rogue, especially for small races or grimspawn theiflings. Until lvl 10, you have to settle for normal Disarm, but after that you become markedly better.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Starfox, post: 6003527, member: 2303"] The issue, to me, is that if my group doesn't use Advanced Player's Guide, it is clear that Disarm can do what Steal does. The expansion book adds new options, but does that mean that it can remove old options without explicitly saying so? I guess whoever wrote the Steal rules had missed the [b]carried[/b] word in the Disarm description. About using diasarm/steal with Sleight of Hand, that is very useful. Not only can you have skill ranks equal to your level (instead of BAB equal to 3/4 of your level as a rogue), you also get to add 3 for a trained skill and possibly traits/feats/race to add further bonuses. And you ignore size penalties if you are Small. You still seem to provoke an AoO and suffer a -4 penalty if unarmed, it seems, so further feats are needed for this to be really good. Seems to me you do get the bonus on disarm checks on these feats, the effect is not tied to CMB. Depending on how you read the ability, you can still use this with a weapon and get enhancement and weapon bonuses. Quite a useful option for a rogue, especially for small races or grimspawn theiflings. Until lvl 10, you have to settle for normal Disarm, but after that you become markedly better. [/QUOTE]

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