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Message: <blockquote data-quote="argo" data-source="post: 1599450" data-attributes="member: 5752">Well, I don't think that saying that a shield can't be disarmed is right.  I think that the logic behind the gauntlet is that you can just make a fist and the other guy can't pull the gauntlet off without ripping your whole hand off which represents HP damage not a disarm attampt (no pun intended  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />  )Treating it like a weapon in a locked gauntlet seems attractive but it takes a full round action to "lock" a locked gauntlet and only a move action (that can be combined with a move) to ready a shield.  That would seem to indicate that a shield is less well secured than a locked gauntlet (espically the small shield which is just held in the hand).A shield is a strange case because, although it isn't a weapon (even though you can make shield bash attacks) it also isn't a simple held item either.  Unlike a weapon a shield is not designed to deftly turn about the wrist which is part of the action in most disarm attempts.  Unlike a held item (say a wand) a shield is designed to be used under the riggors of combat and so shouldn't be easily knocked aside.  I think that the category that best describes a shield under the rules is as a "worn item".So I think that for buckler or large shield I would treat it as a "well secured"  worn item, meaning that you first have to grapple and pin the target and even then he gets a +4 bonus to his disarm.  A small or tower shield I would treat as a "normally secured" worn item, meaning that you can attempt to disarm it with a normal disarm and neither the attacker nor defender gets any bonus to the attempt.As for what modifiers to use.  No the defender should not be allowed to use Weapon focus for weapons other than the shield, that makes no sense.  But he also shouldn't suffer the off-hand penalties unless he has already been TWF'ing with the shield that round.  So it should just be BAB + Str unless he happens to have Weapon Focus [shield].Hope that helps.</blockquote>

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