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<blockquote data-quote="jmucchiello" data-source="post: 2135957" data-attributes="member: 813">Read the 1e DMG again. Especially the parts about movement in combat. 1e combat is just as tactical as 3e combat. It's based on the rules to Chainmail after all. The reason most people think 1e was less tactical is because most people did not play by the rules in 1e.If you want to cite the real difference between older D&amp;D and 3.x D&amp;D, it is that people would bend, fold or mutilate old D&amp;D to fit their style of play. 3.x handles more styles of play out of the box and doesn't need to be smashed as hard to get into the styles it doesn't handle out of the box.Back when edition wars were more popular, I sat down and read the 1e and 2e DMGs and found lots of little things that we never played by the rules. Why? Because most people learned D&amp;D from someone else and never bothered to actually read the DMG. Someone up above said 1e D&amp;D combat was simple if you ignored the weapon vs armor stuff and speed factors. Well, speed factors made initiative interesting in 2e. Read those rules. They are more complex than AoOs.If you don't think 3e being different means 3e is not D&amp;D then I think you did not play 1e. You played something like 1e D&amp;D but it wasn't really D&amp;D. Someone once said if you weren't playing D&amp;D by the rules in the book you were not playing D&amp;D. Sounds to me like too many people took that to heart and are trying to apply it to 3e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jmucchiello, post: 2135957, member: 813"] Read the 1e DMG again. Especially the parts about movement in combat. 1e combat is just as tactical as 3e combat. It's based on the rules to Chainmail after all. The reason most people think 1e was less tactical is because most people did not play by the rules in 1e. If you want to cite the real difference between older D&D and 3.x D&D, it is that people would bend, fold or mutilate old D&D to fit their style of play. 3.x handles more styles of play out of the box and doesn't need to be smashed as hard to get into the styles it doesn't handle out of the box. Back when edition wars were more popular, I sat down and read the 1e and 2e DMGs and found lots of little things that we never played by the rules. Why? Because most people learned D&D from someone else and never bothered to actually read the DMG. Someone up above said 1e D&D combat was simple if you ignored the weapon vs armor stuff and speed factors. Well, speed factors made initiative interesting in 2e. Read those rules. They are more complex than AoOs. If you don't think 3e being different means 3e is not D&D then I think you did not play 1e. You played something like 1e D&D but it wasn't really D&D. Someone once said if you weren't playing D&D by the rules in the book you were not playing D&D. Sounds to me like too many people took that to heart and are trying to apply it to 3e. [/QUOTE]

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