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<blockquote data-quote="Mallus" data-source="post: 7248849" data-attributes="member: 3887">What would a fan debate about Trek be without nit-picking? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.But yeah, I don't think this particular one is helpful. Starfleet is the embodiment of the Federation's principles and it's actions are authorized by the Federation Council. The shows themselves conflate the two all the time. And elements of the &quot;Roddenberry Rule&quot; are clearly meant to apply to the overall society. Speaking of the Roddenberry Rule, I see it as applying most to ST:TNG's first season, which is universally considered the weakest (and most dramatically inert and/or silly). I find it least in TOS. The Roddenberry Rule really strikes me as something that solidified &amp; became dogmatic in the years *between* TOS and TNG, to the detriment of TNG's first season. TNG becomes much more interesting when it backs away from it; cf. episodes like &quot;The Enemy&quot; and &quot;The Most Toys&quot;.Worf refusing to allow the transfusion to save the Romulan prisoner vs. Picard's refusal to order him to do so is interesting, it feels like a real test of the Federations principles in legitimate conflict. Data trying to execute Kivas Fajo and then kinda lying about it maybe not be a ringing endorsement of Starfleet values, but it feels like a meaningful comment on what a quest to be a real boy entails.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mallus, post: 7248849, member: 3887"] What would a fan debate about Trek be without nit-picking? :). But yeah, I don't think this particular one is helpful. Starfleet is the embodiment of the Federation's principles and it's actions are authorized by the Federation Council. The shows themselves conflate the two all the time. And elements of the "Roddenberry Rule" are clearly meant to apply to the overall society. Speaking of the Roddenberry Rule, I see it as applying most to ST:TNG's first season, which is universally considered the weakest (and most dramatically inert and/or silly). I find it least in TOS. The Roddenberry Rule really strikes me as something that solidified & became dogmatic in the years *between* TOS and TNG, to the detriment of TNG's first season. TNG becomes much more interesting when it backs away from it; cf. episodes like "The Enemy" and "The Most Toys". Worf refusing to allow the transfusion to save the Romulan prisoner vs. Picard's refusal to order him to do so is interesting, it feels like a real test of the Federations principles in legitimate conflict. Data trying to execute Kivas Fajo and then kinda lying about it maybe not be a ringing endorsement of Starfleet values, but it feels like a meaningful comment on what a quest to be a real boy entails. [/QUOTE]

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