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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 7252434" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p>Only halfway through the episode and I dislike leaving things unfinished. Haven't decided if I'll be watching more. I'll see how it wraps up and *maybe* give it one more. Sometimes shows do take some time. </p><p>(I was hard on the <em>Battestar Galactica</em> reboot TV movie but the series really changed my mind.)</p><p></p><p>Sure, it makes sense that there would be rumours and misinformation regarding the "first mutineer on Starfleet" being tried and imprisoned immediately after the war with the Klingons broke out. </p><p>But that's not how it was presented on the screen. It's justifying events on the show. The audience shouldn't be required to invent a backstory for a TV show to make sense or characters motives to seem reasonable. </p><p></p><p>And you'd think Starfleet would be pretty quick to jump in and point out that not only did the Klingons fire first but also attacked the admiralty during a ceasefire. They really wouldn't one of their officers - even a disgraced one - being thought of as starting the war. That makes them look bad. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Opportunist con men are a far cry from a boasting murderer gleefully recounting violence on Andorians. And not remote with a phaser. He know their temperature: hands-on violence was implied. </p><p></p><p>And it doesn't get a pass because it's a prequel. <em>Enterprise</em> was a prequel as well, and while it still had some growing human ugliness (anti-alien racism) it presented Earth as being free of hunger and poverty and war. This is a full century after that.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Six months into the war and they're already resorting to slave labour?</p><p></p><p>The quoted episodes prove my point. In both, they emphasise the Federation's focus on rehabilitation and associate mental illness with remaining criminal behaviour. In <em>Dagger of the Mind</em> a new treatment fails causing a story. The whole point of that story is that the Federation and humanity wanted to help criminals and get them back in society. Meanwhile, <em>Whom Gods Destroy</em> posits the singular asylum for the largely incurable, whose occupants are a dozen or so residents. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Which only one of them cared about.</p><p>But, seriously, it was trying to commit first degree murder in a room effectively full of police officers. It's probably the stupidest thing one could do if one ever hopes to get out of jail. </p><p>"Grrr… because of you I'm going to mine rocks on an asteroid! So Imma gonna kill you in front of two dozen armed witnesses so I can spend three times as long in the mines!"</p><p></p><p></p><p>Great test. </p><p>One, how did he know the prisoners would start anything? Two, how did he know they wouldn't just shiv her in the back? Or grab a phaser? Vulcan martial arts don't do much to an energy beam.</p><p></p><p>"Whoops, the amoral criminals didn't announce their attack and now she's dead. I guess she failed the test."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which is kinda the damn point!</p><p>Roddenberry envisioned a better future. Where people were good and did the right thing, even when it was hard. When people had moved beyond the pettiness and hate that rules so much of our lives. <em>Star Trek</em> was about a better future. A hopeful future. One where humanity not only managed to survive the horrors of the Cold War but moved to the stars. </p><p></p><p>So far this isn't that. It's literally the opposite, with people being mean and spiteful with no redeeming qualities.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 7252434, member: 37579"] Only halfway through the episode and I dislike leaving things unfinished. Haven't decided if I'll be watching more. I'll see how it wraps up and *maybe* give it one more. Sometimes shows do take some time. (I was hard on the [i]Battestar Galactica[/i] reboot TV movie but the series really changed my mind.) Sure, it makes sense that there would be rumours and misinformation regarding the "first mutineer on Starfleet" being tried and imprisoned immediately after the war with the Klingons broke out. But that's not how it was presented on the screen. It's justifying events on the show. The audience shouldn't be required to invent a backstory for a TV show to make sense or characters motives to seem reasonable. And you'd think Starfleet would be pretty quick to jump in and point out that not only did the Klingons fire first but also attacked the admiralty during a ceasefire. They really wouldn't one of their officers - even a disgraced one - being thought of as starting the war. That makes them look bad. Opportunist con men are a far cry from a boasting murderer gleefully recounting violence on Andorians. And not remote with a phaser. He know their temperature: hands-on violence was implied. And it doesn't get a pass because it's a prequel. [i]Enterprise[/i] was a prequel as well, and while it still had some growing human ugliness (anti-alien racism) it presented Earth as being free of hunger and poverty and war. This is a full century after that. Six months into the war and they're already resorting to slave labour? The quoted episodes prove my point. In both, they emphasise the Federation's focus on rehabilitation and associate mental illness with remaining criminal behaviour. In [i]Dagger of the Mind[/i] a new treatment fails causing a story. The whole point of that story is that the Federation and humanity wanted to help criminals and get them back in society. Meanwhile, [i]Whom Gods Destroy[/i] posits the singular asylum for the largely incurable, whose occupants are a dozen or so residents. Which only one of them cared about. But, seriously, it was trying to commit first degree murder in a room effectively full of police officers. It's probably the stupidest thing one could do if one ever hopes to get out of jail. "Grrr… because of you I'm going to mine rocks on an asteroid! So Imma gonna kill you in front of two dozen armed witnesses so I can spend three times as long in the mines!" Great test. One, how did he know the prisoners would start anything? Two, how did he know they wouldn't just shiv her in the back? Or grab a phaser? Vulcan martial arts don't do much to an energy beam. "Whoops, the amoral criminals didn't announce their attack and now she's dead. I guess she failed the test." Which is kinda the damn point! Roddenberry envisioned a better future. Where people were good and did the right thing, even when it was hard. When people had moved beyond the pettiness and hate that rules so much of our lives. [i]Star Trek[/i] was about a better future. A hopeful future. One where humanity not only managed to survive the horrors of the Cold War but moved to the stars. So far this isn't that. It's literally the opposite, with people being mean and spiteful with no redeeming qualities. [/QUOTE]
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