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<blockquote data-quote="Mallus" data-source="post: 7342829" data-attributes="member: 3887"><p>A few things...</p><p></p><p>Aaron Harberts is one of Discovery's two showrunners. He is a married gay man. Bryan Fuller, who helped create and design the show is a gay man. Antony Rapp and Wilson Cruz, who play Stamets and Culber, are gay men. They are <em>part of</em> the LGBTQ community. You can (and should, if that's your opinion!) criticize their work as seen on screen. But to accuse them of collectively "not thinking about" issues related to gay representation sure looks like baseless & unfair criticism to me. This carries the implication they are somehow outside the community they are obviously a part of. That's a particularly nasty --and personal-- line of attack that's getting all too common in our Hot Take media culture. </p><p></p><p>As for their "lying"... we'll see what happens in season 2. As of yesterday Wilson Cruz was tweeting the story of Stamets & Culber isn't over. I see no reason to accuse an actor I've liked since My So-Called Life and don't know from Adam of lying. But hey, maybe it's the socially responsible thing to do!</p><p></p><p>Then there's simply evaluating the show outside the ready framework of a TVTropes page. There were two (or maybe three) romantic relationships in Disco season 1: Stamets/Culber and Burnham/Tyler (and kinda L'Rell/Voq). All of them were, to varying degrees, tragic. Of them, the most positive and simply sweet was Stamets/Culber. That should count for something (unless we reduce all criticism to a TVTropes entry or a meme). </p><p></p><p>To be honest, I had problems with Culber's death, too. Mainly because I like Wilson Cruz. I admit I felt ambivalence because I'm aware "Bury Your Gays" is a thing. I don't think his death was handled poorly. But I found myself thinking "what will woke Twitter think of this?" and I'm not comfortable too with that, either. Admittedly, it's tricky. I think the best we can do is focus on the work, and not cast aspersions on the creative team.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mallus, post: 7342829, member: 3887"] A few things... Aaron Harberts is one of Discovery's two showrunners. He is a married gay man. Bryan Fuller, who helped create and design the show is a gay man. Antony Rapp and Wilson Cruz, who play Stamets and Culber, are gay men. They are [i]part of[/i] the LGBTQ community. You can (and should, if that's your opinion!) criticize their work as seen on screen. But to accuse them of collectively "not thinking about" issues related to gay representation sure looks like baseless & unfair criticism to me. This carries the implication they are somehow outside the community they are obviously a part of. That's a particularly nasty --and personal-- line of attack that's getting all too common in our Hot Take media culture. As for their "lying"... we'll see what happens in season 2. As of yesterday Wilson Cruz was tweeting the story of Stamets & Culber isn't over. I see no reason to accuse an actor I've liked since My So-Called Life and don't know from Adam of lying. But hey, maybe it's the socially responsible thing to do! Then there's simply evaluating the show outside the ready framework of a TVTropes page. There were two (or maybe three) romantic relationships in Disco season 1: Stamets/Culber and Burnham/Tyler (and kinda L'Rell/Voq). All of them were, to varying degrees, tragic. Of them, the most positive and simply sweet was Stamets/Culber. That should count for something (unless we reduce all criticism to a TVTropes entry or a meme). To be honest, I had problems with Culber's death, too. Mainly because I like Wilson Cruz. I admit I felt ambivalence because I'm aware "Bury Your Gays" is a thing. I don't think his death was handled poorly. But I found myself thinking "what will woke Twitter think of this?" and I'm not comfortable too with that, either. Admittedly, it's tricky. I think the best we can do is focus on the work, and not cast aspersions on the creative team. [/QUOTE]
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