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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8268724" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Right, this is one of the dimensions of the whole 'nobody really knows the world' conundrum. I actually think this is the less significant dimension of it, but it is one that comes up often enough. Another is the vast range of outcomes that can be reasonably expected from an action, coupled with very limited information about many details of the capabilities of PCs or NPCs. </p><p></p><p>A very simple example of the later is, can we all jump across a 16' chasm? Can the orcs following us jump across the same 16' chasm? What is a reasonable model for determining success/failure? Should it take into account the height and weight of the PCs? How exactly are those determined? OK, we can simply use STR as a basic estimate, good enough! Now, what about those orcs? It is basically up to the GM how good orcs are at jumping chasms, nobody really knows! </p><p></p><p>And then we start to get into the more involved things. How many days worth of rations do the orcs have stored in their caves? Can they endure a siege of a week, a month? Do they have a water supply in there? We just don't know. Will disease break out? How fast can they dig a back exit, will it be in time? I almost guarantee you these are not questions anyone has an answer to. Thus the GM will have to answer them when this 'CaW' scenario comes up, and what criteria will be used? There's no real reason to believe one answer is 'more fair' than another! It isn't realistic to answer either way, especially. I mean, we don't know enough about orc society or this tribe to say. I guarantee you B2, for example, cannot answer any of these questions, nor suggest any 'right answer'. The GM will decide, for purely gamist reasons, what happens next. There is no other answer. IMHO this is not a 'wargame'.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 8268724, member: 82106"] Right, this is one of the dimensions of the whole 'nobody really knows the world' conundrum. I actually think this is the less significant dimension of it, but it is one that comes up often enough. Another is the vast range of outcomes that can be reasonably expected from an action, coupled with very limited information about many details of the capabilities of PCs or NPCs. A very simple example of the later is, can we all jump across a 16' chasm? Can the orcs following us jump across the same 16' chasm? What is a reasonable model for determining success/failure? Should it take into account the height and weight of the PCs? How exactly are those determined? OK, we can simply use STR as a basic estimate, good enough! Now, what about those orcs? It is basically up to the GM how good orcs are at jumping chasms, nobody really knows! And then we start to get into the more involved things. How many days worth of rations do the orcs have stored in their caves? Can they endure a siege of a week, a month? Do they have a water supply in there? We just don't know. Will disease break out? How fast can they dig a back exit, will it be in time? I almost guarantee you these are not questions anyone has an answer to. Thus the GM will have to answer them when this 'CaW' scenario comes up, and what criteria will be used? There's no real reason to believe one answer is 'more fair' than another! It isn't realistic to answer either way, especially. I mean, we don't know enough about orc society or this tribe to say. I guarantee you B2, for example, cannot answer any of these questions, nor suggest any 'right answer'. The GM will decide, for purely gamist reasons, what happens next. There is no other answer. IMHO this is not a 'wargame'. [/QUOTE]
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