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<blockquote data-quote="pukunui" data-source="post: 4547407" data-attributes="member: 54629"><p>I'm not sure I'm following you here ...</p><p></p><p>Again, I don't really know what you mean by keeping game and metagame separate. I suppose we need to start by defining "metagame". </p><p></p><p>4e can sometimes lead to tedium as well.</p><p></p><p>How does one guarantee this in 4e? I can still miss with my powers ... and if I miss with my encounter powers, then I'm screwed (whereas if I miss with a daily, chances are it'll still have <em>some</em> effect - which is, I suppose, your point).</p><p></p><p>I've already found the perfect RPG system for me. It's called the Star Wars Roleplaying Game Saga Edition. All I have to do is convert those mechanics to a fantasy setting (a la The Gneech's Sword & Sorcery Saga conversion), and I'll be a happy chappy indeed. However, at the moment, I'm taking a much-needed break from GMing all together.</p><p></p><p>Thanks.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>EDIT: I just wanted to comment on my first ever game of 4e as a player (rather than the DM). I won't say that I didn't enjoy the experience overall. My barbarian dealt the killing blow against the white dragon we were fighting, so that of course was very satisfying. But I will say that I had a bit of difficulty remembering all the little bits and pieces in the heat of the moment. I have a <em>bloodclaw</em> weapon and I kept forgetting to use it, for instance. I also forgot to use some of my built-in barbarian features from time to time. There's a lot to remember. I don't recall having this much difficulty with my SWSE character. SWSE's a lot simpler. I guess maybe what I'm getting at is that having more options in combat is not necessarily a good thing - at least for me. And, unfortunately, it is not possible to play a <em>simple</em> character in 4e (unless, of course, you choose not to use any of your powers and just stick with your basic attacks, as one of my group's former players did). Everyone's essentially a spellcaster, with all the added complexity and extra bookkeeping that that entails.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pukunui, post: 4547407, member: 54629"] I'm not sure I'm following you here ... Again, I don't really know what you mean by keeping game and metagame separate. I suppose we need to start by defining "metagame". 4e can sometimes lead to tedium as well. How does one guarantee this in 4e? I can still miss with my powers ... and if I miss with my encounter powers, then I'm screwed (whereas if I miss with a daily, chances are it'll still have [I]some[/I] effect - which is, I suppose, your point). I've already found the perfect RPG system for me. It's called the Star Wars Roleplaying Game Saga Edition. All I have to do is convert those mechanics to a fantasy setting (a la The Gneech's Sword & Sorcery Saga conversion), and I'll be a happy chappy indeed. However, at the moment, I'm taking a much-needed break from GMing all together. Thanks. EDIT: I just wanted to comment on my first ever game of 4e as a player (rather than the DM). I won't say that I didn't enjoy the experience overall. My barbarian dealt the killing blow against the white dragon we were fighting, so that of course was very satisfying. But I will say that I had a bit of difficulty remembering all the little bits and pieces in the heat of the moment. I have a [I]bloodclaw[/I] weapon and I kept forgetting to use it, for instance. I also forgot to use some of my built-in barbarian features from time to time. There's a lot to remember. I don't recall having this much difficulty with my SWSE character. SWSE's a lot simpler. I guess maybe what I'm getting at is that having more options in combat is not necessarily a good thing - at least for me. And, unfortunately, it is not possible to play a [I]simple[/I] character in 4e (unless, of course, you choose not to use any of your powers and just stick with your basic attacks, as one of my group's former players did). Everyone's essentially a spellcaster, with all the added complexity and extra bookkeeping that that entails. [/QUOTE]
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