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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Levistus's_Leviathan" data-source="post: 8779927" data-attributes="member: 7023887">In all D&D settings magic exists, can be controlled, and can perform feats of power unrivaled by non-magical means . . . why haven't those that practice magic taken over the setting? Why isn't practically every nation a magocracy, where those with magic power have taken the majority of political power (through persuasion or force)? Why aren't the royal bloodlines actually sorcerers that use their innate magical power as a justification for their rule similar to how real-world monarchies have claimed to have a divine mandate for their rule (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_right_of_kings#:~:text=In%20European%20Christianity%2C%20the%20divine,ordained%20to%20inherit%20the%20crown." target="_blank">European</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_of_Heaven" target="_blank">Chinese</a> royalty, for example)? If the dominant economic system of the setting is inherently capitalist, the guilds/corporations that control the majority of trade should be mainly controlled by those with magical power (wizards and artificers).This has been a problem that has been bugging me for a while now. Many settings in D&D don't seem to consider the fact that magic would completely change how the world's politics and nations would function compared to the real world. There are settings in D&D's history that address this issue (Eberron and Dark Sun are my two favorite examples), and I find it kind of baffling that more settings don't answer it. I think that this should be mentioned in the DMG's section on worldbuilding. If magic is superior to mundane power, then there is no reason why mages wouldn't just consolidate most of the socioeconomic and political power in the setting to them.If mages haven't taken over the setting (yet), you should probably have a justification for that. For example, in Thedas, the setting of Dragon Age games (which is pretty similar to D&D), mages used to rule over the entire continent where the games take place. However, the non-mages discovered a way of using lyrium (a magical crystal) to teach templars (religious knights) how to cancel out magical power and imprison mages in circle towers where they could practice magic but only under the close supervision of the templars. In Thedas, most countries aren't ruled by mages because they used to until a means of countering magic power was discovered. This also introduces an interesting dilemma in the setting: whether or not it's okay to discriminate against mages because if you don't, they start to take over the world again (which already happened two separate times in the Tevinter Imperium).So, for your setting, if the Mages have taken over major aspects of the setting . . . ask yourself which types of mages do and how the world is different because of it. Here are some options (there's often overlap between these groups):<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Mages have taken over the setting's political power: The Dark Sun approach. In Dark Sun, mages are fairly rare because the most powerful mages in the world (the tyrannical Sorcerer-Kings) have taken over most of the political power in the world and use their magical power to consolidate the political and magical power in the world to prevent others from getting powerful enough to rival them. The Unity of Riedra in Eberron is a fascist Orwellian nation controlled by a godlike extraplanar entity of nightmares that uses a similar approach, where the Inspired have used psionics for the past 1,300 years to maintain their power over almost all of Sarlona. This is typically best suited to magic systems where magic is innate (like Sorcerers and inherently magical races), but it's also possible for Wizards, Bards, Warlocks, and other magic-using classes to take over the setting's political power.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Mages have taken over the setting's religious power: This is true in most D&D worlds, where the leaders of most religions are Clerics, Druids, Paladins, or Warlocks. In D&D settings, it's very common for religions to be ruled by those with magical power, because normally those with magical power logically have a stronger claim to be the "chosen leaders" of the religion. However, settings could lean into this fact a bit more and call out the fact that mages are more likely to be respected and put into positions of religious leadership due to their magical powers, regardless of which type of spellcaster they are, or have the most powerful religion either absorb the other ones (like the Roman Pantheon did) or try to root out the others and execute/condemn "heretics"/"pagans" (like Catholicism). (A good example of magic being the focus of a fantasy religion is the Cosmere, where most religions have something to do with the setting's magic system.)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Mages have taken over the setting's economic power: The Eberron approach. In Eberron's main continent, Khorvaire, the 12 true and surviving Dragonmarked Houses have formed giant magical corporations that form an extreme capitalist oligopoly. In Eberron, if it exists in the real world, there's a magic version of it somewhere in the setting. You can go to plays where illusion magic and shapechangers are used to enhance the experience, or go to a tavern with magically-flavored beer run by halflings, or buy magically bred and trained pets, or go to a magic hospital that can heal you beyond modern medicine would be able to. Just like in the real world, giant corporations own and produce much of the world's assets, influence the politics of various nations, and take advantage of people with less power to make more money.</li> </ul>Additionally, you should consider which types of magic helped mages take over certain aspects of the power in the setting. For example, Enchantment magic like domination spells could more easily be used to take control of political power than transmutation magic.If mages haven't taken over major sources of power in the world yet . . . ask yourself why not? Here are some possible options for why it hasn't taken over yet:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Magic can be (and is) countered by something else. The Dragon Age approach. In Thedas, Templars use Lyrium to cancel out spells and vials of blood that let them track down mages that escape. This allows specially trained non-mages to be able to counter mages in battle, which is necessary to prevent them from being able to rebel. A D&D equivalent could be magic items. Perhaps modern nations prevent mages from taking power through the use of magic items (possibly from an ancient, dead civilization like Netheril or Aeor that left them behind after the civilization fell)? Or there could be some material that cancels out magic?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Mages are limited by some other force that prevents them from taking over. Perhaps in this world mages (and magic in general) are way rarer than they are in most other D&D settings or it's so extremely difficult to increase magical power that most mages only have access to spells roughly as effective as the world's most used weaponry. Or maybe magic is new and mages haven't had sufficient time to learn enough about magic to consolidate power? Or material components/spellcasting foci are super rare and thus it's nearly impossible to practice magic without the proper funds/resources. The only powerful mages in this world might be the villains and some of the main characters, with everyone else not having magical powers. 5e wasn't designed around this assumption, but it would be fairly easy to add something like this to a world.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Mages can't focus on taking over the world (for some reason). If mages typically live young life-spans or the world is extremely deadly and magic is necessary to ward off the hostility of the setting, then mages might not have sufficient motivation to try and take power.</li> </ul>tl;dr - Mages in D&D logically should be able to consolidate political, religious, and/or economic power more easily than non-mages, and thus the setting should either be controlled by/heavily influenced by mages or have some justification(s) why mages haven't taken over (yet).Edit: Note - Apparently I didn't make this clear. In this thought experiment, I'm defining Mages as any spellcasting class, not specifically Wizards.</blockquote>

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