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Discussing Worldbuilding: Why Don't The Mages Take Over The World?
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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8783918" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Already addressed the "just because PCs can doesn't mean others can" </p><p></p><p>I did forget that this was just for Tools and Languages, but you can also get feats via training, skilled is a feat that gives three skills. So, it is still obviously possible to learn new skills, we just don't have as clear a timeline. So, do you think it should be twice as long for a skill? Three times? Tools are basically skills, so how much more difficult should it be?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"were rare" is kind of an important point. There is not a single class in 5e that cannot use magic by 4th level. Spellcasters are FAR from rare amongst classed characters. </p><p></p><p>And yes, saying that learning magic is impossible does fly into the face of what D&D is telling us. Wizard and Artificer magic is explicitly learned. It cannot be impossible to learn magic whose entire identifying feature is that it can be learned. That is like saying that it is impossible for an apple to be red. It is kind of a defining feature.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay? Every wizard statblock from the Monsters of the Multiverse seems to have an Intelligence between 16 and 18. They ALL are exceptional, if we assume normal is 10's. The entire point we have been told for rolling 4d6 is that it creates a population curve. So, people of any level of stats can be NPCs. This doesn't prove or disprove anything. </p><p></p><p>And, remember, part of this OP as a fundamental concept, is that "have access to right opportunities" would be Nobles, because those with money and wealth have more access, and those with magic have more access to wealth and hard coin, and more access to teaching magic to others. These two things would combine.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wonderful! Now, why can't an independently wealthy millionaire from a rich family start their own business? Like a make-up line, or a fashion line, or a perfume line. You know, these things that independently wealthy people start all the time, because they have the money to make it happen? </p><p></p><p>Farmers aren't the ruling class of the world. Nobles with money and access to education are. Exactly the people who would be more likely to succeed at something that would take money, time, and education.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8783918, member: 6801228"] Already addressed the "just because PCs can doesn't mean others can" I did forget that this was just for Tools and Languages, but you can also get feats via training, skilled is a feat that gives three skills. So, it is still obviously possible to learn new skills, we just don't have as clear a timeline. So, do you think it should be twice as long for a skill? Three times? Tools are basically skills, so how much more difficult should it be? "were rare" is kind of an important point. There is not a single class in 5e that cannot use magic by 4th level. Spellcasters are FAR from rare amongst classed characters. And yes, saying that learning magic is impossible does fly into the face of what D&D is telling us. Wizard and Artificer magic is explicitly learned. It cannot be impossible to learn magic whose entire identifying feature is that it can be learned. That is like saying that it is impossible for an apple to be red. It is kind of a defining feature. Okay? Every wizard statblock from the Monsters of the Multiverse seems to have an Intelligence between 16 and 18. They ALL are exceptional, if we assume normal is 10's. The entire point we have been told for rolling 4d6 is that it creates a population curve. So, people of any level of stats can be NPCs. This doesn't prove or disprove anything. And, remember, part of this OP as a fundamental concept, is that "have access to right opportunities" would be Nobles, because those with money and wealth have more access, and those with magic have more access to wealth and hard coin, and more access to teaching magic to others. These two things would combine. Wonderful! Now, why can't an independently wealthy millionaire from a rich family start their own business? Like a make-up line, or a fashion line, or a perfume line. You know, these things that independently wealthy people start all the time, because they have the money to make it happen? Farmers aren't the ruling class of the world. Nobles with money and access to education are. Exactly the people who would be more likely to succeed at something that would take money, time, and education. [/QUOTE]
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