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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8783945" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Wow. I know you sometimes make incredibly disingenuous arguments, but this takes the cake. No, I don't assume every noble is identical. I also don't assume every ogre is actually identical. But I also would find it incredibly strange for you to say that Ogres have a strength of 26, or to ask if baby ogres have 60 hp and a strength of 19. I used the noble statblock because, well, it is the noble statblock. If you have problems with that statblock, then you need to talk to WoTC, not me. That is the CURRENT model for what nobles look like in the game. The game were spellcasters aren't generally in-charge. I've also never claimed that rulers die or are assassinated by the bucketload. You are making up that argument. It is a nice strawman, but irrelevant. And it is strange, the argument I was replying to told me that wizards are highly stabbable, and that's why they won't be in charge, bcause they would be stabbed to death. Now I am finding that stabbings are hardly a threat at all, because the state will protect them. Strange how the state wasn't protecting them BEFORE I showed that wizards would be better equipped to handle potential stabbings than the standard noble. But hey, you mention the champion right? That's what, a 13th level fighter? I'm AFB at the moment, so I can't check. Do we often find that 13th level fighters have as many options for shaping the world and being incredibly powerful as 13th level casters? Or is this special pleading? Is the argument that being a fighter is so easy, and so simple, that despite the fact that 13th level requires 120,000 for both that a noble could easily and quickly train to be a 13th level fighter, but training to be a 13th level wizard would be so hard as to be impossible for them? XP has been standardized between the classes for three editions now, there is no longer a reason to say that becoming a wizard takes longer or more effort. Unless you want to trivialize what it means to be a fighter, but hey, we are fine saying that no spellcaster would bother to rule, because they have more important things to do, so why not continue to denigrate and insult martials?</blockquote>

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