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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8783978" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I'm not making nearly the number of assumptions you think. Anyone can get magic by making a pact. This is true. Maybe you make a pact to be taught magic and it takes you time after the pact to learn any magic, but the Hexblade's patron is a weapon, and the GOO patron may not know you exist. Additionally, level 1 and 2 are explicitly apprentice levels. Basic beginning point for a class is supposed to be level 3. So, level 5 is just an experienced member of the class. And I'm not going beyond 5 in most of my examples. The local military guys are about as good as a level 1 fighter, and I don't care about the level 10 battlemaster. I'm looking for the level 5 character. Which if we just use extra attack as our measure, is not that uncommon. They are uncommon, it isn't like every guard is a 5th level fighter. But it isn't like a 5th level fighter is some figure of legend who only serves as the greatest champion of the king either. It wouldn't be that uncommon for a captain of the guard to be a 5th level fighter, for example. These are assumptions, but they aren't major ones. And since I'm not talking about 10th or 15th level characters, we don't need to worry as much about the rarity. 3rd to 5th level characters would be uncommon, but not unheard of.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8783978, member: 6801228"] I'm not making nearly the number of assumptions you think. Anyone can get magic by making a pact. This is true. Maybe you make a pact to be taught magic and it takes you time after the pact to learn any magic, but the Hexblade's patron is a weapon, and the GOO patron may not know you exist. Additionally, level 1 and 2 are explicitly apprentice levels. Basic beginning point for a class is supposed to be level 3. So, level 5 is just an experienced member of the class. And I'm not going beyond 5 in most of my examples. The local military guys are about as good as a level 1 fighter, and I don't care about the level 10 battlemaster. I'm looking for the level 5 character. Which if we just use extra attack as our measure, is not that uncommon. They are uncommon, it isn't like every guard is a 5th level fighter. But it isn't like a 5th level fighter is some figure of legend who only serves as the greatest champion of the king either. It wouldn't be that uncommon for a captain of the guard to be a 5th level fighter, for example. These are assumptions, but they aren't major ones. And since I'm not talking about 10th or 15th level characters, we don't need to worry as much about the rarity. 3rd to 5th level characters would be uncommon, but not unheard of. [/QUOTE]

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