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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Trouvere" data-source="post: 4932530" data-attributes="member: 37250">The unshaped lands section also mentions "A desert plains called the Valdun, which is inhabited solely by nomadic tribes (the Valduni)."   It was <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/1218773-post31.html" target="_blank">created</a> by Guilt Puppy.And that, it would seem, is that.But GuiltPuppy elsewhere and earlier (Jan 2003) had written up some of his ideas for (a version of) the Valdun (and he's still active at this site, though not LEW!):<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/627225-post6.html" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/627225-post6.html</a>The entry begins: "Sandwiched between great kingdoms, the arid desert-plains of the Valdun have remained undisturbed. The land is not greatly desirable, but more importantly, it is defended by one of the most storied, mysterious, and determined folk in the known world."Which great kingdoms?  If we've heard of them at all, they could possibly be Ushad and Grimteine, which would place the Valdun near the centre of the Ushad Map rectangle.  If one of these kingdoms is Sairundan, then this places the Valdun in an as yet empty rectangle, either the one north of 'Sairundan' and west of 'Haunted City', or the one east of 'Sairundan' and south of 'Haunted City'.There's a small difficulty in having Ushad so close to Severus and other arid places, in that in Ushad's one appearance in 'Slaying the Dreamer', though little was seen, it did not come across as a semi-desert land.  Anyway, with Sairundan, Gallipona, the Badlands and southern Grimteine, we're gathering quite a collection of such dry lands.Enworld does seem quite dry, overall. It's a Pangaea bordering a Panthalassa, but we think we know that few rivers flow into the sea near Orussus, or Allimon, or Ravensdale, or from across Sairundan, so most of the water isn't flowing westwards into the known ocean.The Roars/Grellgo does flow into the Great Sea; the Mystic River flows north off the top of the Earling Map (and perhaps is the 'Great Mother' river Na'yuneth of Ithyria, though it would then be truly immense); the up to seven rivers of the Riverlands... are a mystery to me.  There are likely to be rivers that flow to and from the inland sea region, and rivers flowing east from the Stonespike range across Carduth.  But as a point of caution - the sheer scale of Enworld means that a perfectly respectable river could be marked as a tiny thread winding no more than 1/5 of the width of a rectangle.  It seems likely that the vast majority of rivers in Enworld never reach a sea... they just vanish into fenlands, into sinkholes, or they progressively weaken along their course, ending in a dry bed.  Having only lived on small damp islands, I find that quite hard to picture, though I know it happens to various Chinese rivers and the Rio Grande quite often.</blockquote>

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