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<blockquote data-quote="Kaiyanwang" data-source="post: 5286760" data-attributes="member: 91656"><p>Well, remember that you can try every combat maneuver without the feat: you just incur in the AOO. The AOO can miss, and not every enemy has combat reflexes. Or ou could be invisible. Or he could be flat-footed for another reason...</p><p></p><p>I see that 3.x and PF could suffer what I call the "you need improved bathroom feat to make poo" syndrome. But most times being imaginative brings in satisfying solutions.</p><p></p><p>I agree on grapple. PF managed better that. And remember the advices in the PF GM guide. I always did things like the ones suggested: use ad-hoc combos of skilll use to have PC do awesome things. CMD is great as defense, but evet as set DC. "yes, with a -4" is better than "no" as an answer.</p><p></p><p>[MENTION=16786]Stoat[/MENTION]: </p><p></p><p>1)this is quite true, (see above improved bathroom) but not always. In 3.5, trip was a touch attack. The -4 for bolas nonproficiency didn't affected it. One could use weapons groups from UA. Solutions are out there, just look for them.</p><p></p><p>2) I see your point, but mine were examples. And high level fighter could afford most of the needed feats anyway. And up to 1 category bigger than the warrior, the monster is fair game for maneuvers... not just same size. Undeads like death knights and outsiders like gelugons use weapons too. And giants. And monstrous humanoids. Why people think to humanoids only?</p><p></p><p> And there is enlarge person if a spellcaster helps you (or you use UMD). </p><p></p><p>3) Is true that most times is better just nuke the monster.. if the objective is have the monster dead....Maybe it's me, but I find more exicint fights with both big monsters and mooks, so one has always the chance to bully the weaklings <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kaiyanwang, post: 5286760, member: 91656"] Well, remember that you can try every combat maneuver without the feat: you just incur in the AOO. The AOO can miss, and not every enemy has combat reflexes. Or ou could be invisible. Or he could be flat-footed for another reason... I see that 3.x and PF could suffer what I call the "you need improved bathroom feat to make poo" syndrome. But most times being imaginative brings in satisfying solutions. I agree on grapple. PF managed better that. And remember the advices in the PF GM guide. I always did things like the ones suggested: use ad-hoc combos of skilll use to have PC do awesome things. CMD is great as defense, but evet as set DC. "yes, with a -4" is better than "no" as an answer. [MENTION=16786]Stoat[/MENTION]: 1)this is quite true, (see above improved bathroom) but not always. In 3.5, trip was a touch attack. The -4 for bolas nonproficiency didn't affected it. One could use weapons groups from UA. Solutions are out there, just look for them. 2) I see your point, but mine were examples. And high level fighter could afford most of the needed feats anyway. And up to 1 category bigger than the warrior, the monster is fair game for maneuvers... not just same size. Undeads like death knights and outsiders like gelugons use weapons too. And giants. And monstrous humanoids. Why people think to humanoids only? And there is enlarge person if a spellcaster helps you (or you use UMD). 3) Is true that most times is better just nuke the monster.. if the objective is have the monster dead....Maybe it's me, but I find more exicint fights with both big monsters and mooks, so one has always the chance to bully the weaklings ;) [/QUOTE]
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