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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 2099323" data-attributes="member: 707">But there's more to a Disguise check than makeup.  A part of it is attitude and acting ability, which is why the key attribute is Charisma, rather than Wisdom or Intelligence (for noticing discrepancies in the makeup).  Disguise is a presentation, only part of which is the actual physical disguise.  I'd go so far as to say that ranks in Disguise only partially represent a skill with makeup, but also represent the ability to act the part.That said, how can a PC know how effective his Disguise will be, until it's put to the test in an opposed check?  How can he know his makeup is worth a '20', when the makeup may only be a third-part of what makes up a perfect roll?  In his repeated attempts to perfect his makeup, he could actually make it worse.  God knows that as a part-time thespian myself, I've scrapped a makeup job only to do a worse job afterward.For these reasons, I don't allow one to take 20 on Disguise.  I don't make the roll myself, because I like to allow the PCs to make as many rolls as possible.  But I do require they make the roll only when it becomes relevent (iow opposed).</blockquote>