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<blockquote data-quote="enigma5915" data-source="post: 5614900" data-attributes="member: 60095"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: white">I came to the realization during a session of D&D Encounters that I was running. The realization is that for the first time in 29 years…I am not having fun with D&D! This feeling kind of scared the begezus out of me. I have loved every edition of D&D since BECMI and each version more than the previous. I have been enjoying 4E a lot… until lately. I started thinking about what was the cause and came to several conclusions. The actions of WOTC with essentials, product cancelations and a less than impressive showing at the GAMA trade show made me actually think about the game future. With that I started to realize that I wouldn’t miss it. I have been unhappy with the quality of D&D for a couple years. 4E’s perceived focus on combat was noticeable to me but not bothersome until a few years of it. Encounters really started showing me that there was something missing, I couldn’t say what, just a nagging feeling. The writing of D&D’s adventures has been falling below what I would consider acceptable for a while now. The entire DDI concept and follow-through has been poor in my opinion. Especially killing the adventure tools and character builder for the online versions, that well, are less than the originals to be nice. Not directly related to the rules, but the loss of the miniature line really got me as well. Don’t get me wrong, I love the hell out of D&D, but WOTC’s current leadership has tainted the heck out of everything and left me with a bad taste. 4E comes down to an illusion, an illusion of options, an illusion of choice, and an illusion of quality. I mean really, when skill challenges let you use just about any skill to accomplish any task, what is the point of differentiation. Bear with me; I know I’m not giving a ton of good examples, just some highlights of my disgruntlement. After thinking about my issues with 4E, I couldn’t enjoy DMing it anymore…and that is a most impressive feat if there ever was one. I actually threw a celebration declaring the end of my running 4E for good. The ending of playing does seem inevitable as well. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: white">All in all….this has made me reflect on past editions and what made them fun…aside from the friends we play with, what did the rules change?… </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: white">Am I alone in my crazy thoughts? </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: white">I’m curious if anyone shares similar sentiments.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: orange">I’m not interested in an edition flame war or trolling….just some serious contemplation….</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: orange">Have I lost my game or my mind?</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="enigma5915, post: 5614900, member: 60095"] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=white]I came to the realization during a session of D&D Encounters that I was running. The realization is that for the first time in 29 years…I am not having fun with D&D! This feeling kind of scared the begezus out of me. I have loved every edition of D&D since BECMI and each version more than the previous. I have been enjoying 4E a lot… until lately. I started thinking about what was the cause and came to several conclusions. The actions of WOTC with essentials, product cancelations and a less than impressive showing at the GAMA trade show made me actually think about the game future. With that I started to realize that I wouldn’t miss it. I have been unhappy with the quality of D&D for a couple years. 4E’s perceived focus on combat was noticeable to me but not bothersome until a few years of it. Encounters really started showing me that there was something missing, I couldn’t say what, just a nagging feeling. The writing of D&D’s adventures has been falling below what I would consider acceptable for a while now. The entire DDI concept and follow-through has been poor in my opinion. Especially killing the adventure tools and character builder for the online versions, that well, are less than the originals to be nice. Not directly related to the rules, but the loss of the miniature line really got me as well. Don’t get me wrong, I love the hell out of D&D, but WOTC’s current leadership has tainted the heck out of everything and left me with a bad taste. 4E comes down to an illusion, an illusion of options, an illusion of choice, and an illusion of quality. I mean really, when skill challenges let you use just about any skill to accomplish any task, what is the point of differentiation. Bear with me; I know I’m not giving a ton of good examples, just some highlights of my disgruntlement. After thinking about my issues with 4E, I couldn’t enjoy DMing it anymore…and that is a most impressive feat if there ever was one. I actually threw a celebration declaring the end of my running 4E for good. The ending of playing does seem inevitable as well. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=white][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=white]All in all….this has made me reflect on past editions and what made them fun…aside from the friends we play with, what did the rules change?… [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=white][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=white]Am I alone in my crazy thoughts? [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=white][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=white]I’m curious if anyone shares similar sentiments.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=orange] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=orange]I’m not interested in an edition flame war or trolling….just some serious contemplation….[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=orange] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=orange]Have I lost my game or my mind?[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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