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<blockquote data-quote="occam" data-source="post: 9594452" data-attributes="member: 39815"><p>Is this actually ambiguous in any specific case? If we look at a few specific examples:</p><p></p><p><em>Death Ward</em> says "The first time the target <em>would</em> drop to 0 Hit Points before the spell ends, the target <em>instead</em> drops to 1 Hit Point" (emphasis mine) The words <em>would</em> and <em>instead</em> clearly describe a situation in which the target never actually drops to 0 HP; thus, no disintegration.</p><p></p><p>Same for the zombie; Undead Fortitude says "If damage reduces the zombie to 0 Hit Points, it makes a Constitution saving throw (DC 5 plus the damage taken) unless the damage is Radiant or from a Critical Hit. On a successful save, the zombie drops to 1 Hit Point <em>instead</em>." Again, <em>instead</em> dictates that if the zombie makes the save, it never actually drops to 0 HP; no disintegration.</p><p></p><p>As for the orc, though; Relentless Endurance says "When you are reduced to 0 Hit Points <em>but not killed outright</em>, you can drop to 1 Hit Point instead." Obviously the <em>Disintegrate</em> spell kills the orc outright at 0 HP; the inclusion of that conditional overrides the later <em>instead</em>, or the conditional would have no impact. Neither <em>Death Ward</em> nor Undead Fortitude include a conditional like that. There's a sequence here:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Are you reduced to 0 HP? If yes, continue.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Are you killed outright? If no, continue.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">You can drop to 1 HP instead.</li> </ol><p><em>Disintegrate</em> stops this sequence at step 2.</p><p></p><p>All of these seem like clear rulings to me. Are there others that are less clear?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="occam, post: 9594452, member: 39815"] Is this actually ambiguous in any specific case? If we look at a few specific examples: [I]Death Ward[/I] says "The first time the target [I]would[/I] drop to 0 Hit Points before the spell ends, the target [I]instead[/I] drops to 1 Hit Point" (emphasis mine) The words [I]would[/I] and [I]instead[/I] clearly describe a situation in which the target never actually drops to 0 HP; thus, no disintegration. Same for the zombie; Undead Fortitude says "If damage reduces the zombie to 0 Hit Points, it makes a Constitution saving throw (DC 5 plus the damage taken) unless the damage is Radiant or from a Critical Hit. On a successful save, the zombie drops to 1 Hit Point [I]instead[/I]." Again, [I]instead[/I] dictates that if the zombie makes the save, it never actually drops to 0 HP; no disintegration. As for the orc, though; Relentless Endurance says "When you are reduced to 0 Hit Points [I]but not killed outright[/I], you can drop to 1 Hit Point instead." Obviously the [I]Disintegrate[/I] spell kills the orc outright at 0 HP; the inclusion of that conditional overrides the later [I]instead[/I], or the conditional would have no impact. Neither [I]Death Ward[/I] nor Undead Fortitude include a conditional like that. There's a sequence here: [LIST=1] [*]Are you reduced to 0 HP? If yes, continue. [*]Are you killed outright? If no, continue. [*]You can drop to 1 HP instead. [/LIST] [I]Disintegrate[/I] stops this sequence at step 2. All of these seem like clear rulings to me. Are there others that are less clear? [/QUOTE]
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