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<blockquote data-quote="Jaelommiss" data-source="post: 6735622" data-attributes="member: 6775925">When your entire argument hinges on the druid's HP being different to the wildshape's HP, it really helps when the book doesn't explicitly state that &quot;you assume the beast's hit points&quot; upon wildshaping. Furthermore, the sentence that mentions reverting says that it occurs &quot;if you fall unconscious, drop to 0 hit points, or die.&quot; In both quotations the term &quot;you&quot; refers to the druid. If the wildshape's hit points were not the druid's hit points then it would impossible for druid to revert as a result of taking damage, because the druid could not under any circumstances drop to 0 hit points. There is no possible reading of the book in which the wildshape's hit points are not the druid's own hit points, and therefore the basis for your argument that the druid isn't the one being reduced to 0 hit points is unfounded.Of course, since the druid's hit points are replaced with the beast's own, it is possible for the druid to drop to 0 hit points, avoiding the messiness that your interpretation causes and allowing events the trigger off of being reduced to 0 hit points to occur (including disintegrate). Whether or not it is fair for a druid to get disintegrated while wildshaped is entirely separate, but that it occurs is fully supported by any logical reading of the rules. Personally I don't believe that a second level druid's 2/short rest ability should so easily overcome a 13th level wizard's 1/day 6th level slot, but that has no bearing on what the rules actually say.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jaelommiss, post: 6735622, member: 6775925"] When your entire argument hinges on the druid's HP being different to the wildshape's HP, it really helps when the book doesn't explicitly state that "you assume the beast's hit points" upon wildshaping. Furthermore, the sentence that mentions reverting says that it occurs "if [B]you[/B] fall unconscious, drop to 0 hit points, or die." In both quotations the term "you" refers to the druid. If the wildshape's hit points were not the druid's hit points then it would impossible for druid to revert as a result of taking damage, because the druid could not under any circumstances drop to 0 hit points. There is no possible reading of the book in which the wildshape's hit points are not the druid's own hit points, and therefore the basis for your argument that the druid isn't the one being reduced to 0 hit points is unfounded. Of course, since the druid's hit points are replaced with the beast's own, it is possible for the druid to drop to 0 hit points, avoiding the messiness that your interpretation causes and allowing events the trigger off of being reduced to 0 hit points to occur (including disintegrate). Whether or not it is fair for a druid to get disintegrated while wildshaped is entirely separate, but that it occurs is fully supported by any logical reading of the rules. Personally I don't believe that a second level druid's 2/short rest ability should so easily overcome a 13th level wizard's 1/day 6th level slot, but that has no bearing on what the rules actually say. [/QUOTE]

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