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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 6759772" data-attributes="member: 6799649">While you, personally, haven't advanced every argument, the argument has been made. If you are reduced to 1 hp instead of 0 hp, then you were never at 0 hp; the ability removes its own trigger.How do we know? Because we can use our reason. If the ability meant that you actually do have 0 hp and then heal 1 hp, then you would fall unconscious (or die) when you reached 0 hp, fall prone, let go of hand-held objects, and (if dead) your soul would travel to its afterlife. Then you would heal 1 hp (impossible for a dead body BTW), wake up (or be raised from the dead) and then...what? Still be prone and weaponless? Magically stand up at no action cost, hands full of weapons?Does anyone think that, with the orc/barbarian abilities, Wild Shape, the shield spell, that the thing that triggers the ability actually happens, causing injury/death/prone/etc, and then they 'get better'? Does the wizard get hit by an attack, have the javelin pass through his brain, fall dead to the ground, then cast shield, causing the javelin to slide out, the wizard to come back to life with his staff in his hand and standing up?That is the logical implication of that argument. That argument has the druid actually falling unconscious/dying, and then returning to life.I submit that this shows the absurdity of that argument. The save to have 1 hp instead of 0 hp represents the inherent toughness and willpower of refusing to die, not actually dying and returning to life! The shield spell does not actually wait for you to get hit before you cast the spell (despite its trigger); it represents using a shield made of mystical energy to block an attack that would hit unless you cast the spell. And Wild Shaped druids revert instead of reaching 0 hp, despite the trigger.None of these abilities make sense after analysis if you imagine that the trigger also happens. Applying reason to each interpretation quickly arrives at the intended answer, and semantics should not get in the way if the only result of those semantics is absurdity.</blockquote>

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