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<blockquote data-quote="Violent Solace" data-source="post: 7363668" data-attributes="member: 6943108"><p>The problem im seeing you are having is that you aren't understanding what im trying to say and just discrediting me before even trying to. And in that case there is literally nothing that could be said nor point that could be made that could change your mind because you aren't open to other people's opinion. If that is untrue i could try to simplify what i was saying as you may be able to understand my point im making </p><p> **asuming the bear and druid have 50**</p><p>Essentially if it were to not disentagrate the target it would be:</p><p>Hit</p><p>Deal damage ( 80)</p><p>Revert (the bear takes 50)</p><p>Deal the rest of the damage (30)</p><p>Spell end (druid is at 20)</p><p>Therefore you have NOT FINISHED dealing damage meaning the spell is in effect and is not complete yet when you revert</p><p>Now with the disintegrate it would be </p><p>Hit </p><p>Deal damage (80)</p><p>revert (the bear takes 50)</p><p>Deal rest of damage (because you are damageing the other form it must be there while damage is being dealt)</p><p>Is the target reduced to zero (druid is at 20)</p><p>No spell ends</p><p></p><p>The spell says "if this damage [10d6+40] reduces it to 0 hit points, it is disintegrated" you are suggesting whithout evidence that the spell effect is inacted before the spell is complete if that were so it would have to be disintegrating the target before it reaches 0hp wich is as RAW not how it works the spell has to resolve its damage first as the text says if you use your interpretation on a regular spell </p><p>Beast hits 0hp spell ends</p><p>Druid takes no damage</p><p></p><p>It isnt logical you call my explanation nonsensical when i use actual logic and then have no actual logic backing your reasoning i wouldn't have to change anything as wild shape a SPECIFIC rule says it happens "automatically when you... Drop to 0hp" weather the spell is still dealling damage or not you revert when the beast hits 0 it is logical</p><p></p><p>Ps the desiner did not post an official RAW only RAI and another designer posted a RAI that said it doesn't ther is no official text from THE COMPANY that states what happens only an individuals opinion he did not hold a meeting and then come to an official conclusion wich makes his opinion no more valid than any other designer</p><p></p><p>That being said as objectively as humanly possible</p><p></p><p>Im very glad you agree that house ruling is fun and it should be up to the DM whether it is RAW or not </p><p></p><p>There really isnt a wrong answer just different veiwpoints i understand where you get the idea of dusting them but the thing is as it stands because there is an option to dust them either way meaning if the druid reverts and then drops to 0 i feel as though in my biased opinion itd be fun to dust the druid then make the party serch for a way to bring them back then doing something fun like "i guess you missed some dust because your druid only seems to have 9 fingers" then go on a hunt back to were the druid wad dusted to find the finger all in all its just about having a good time</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Violent Solace, post: 7363668, member: 6943108"] The problem im seeing you are having is that you aren't understanding what im trying to say and just discrediting me before even trying to. And in that case there is literally nothing that could be said nor point that could be made that could change your mind because you aren't open to other people's opinion. If that is untrue i could try to simplify what i was saying as you may be able to understand my point im making **asuming the bear and druid have 50** Essentially if it were to not disentagrate the target it would be: Hit Deal damage ( 80) Revert (the bear takes 50) Deal the rest of the damage (30) Spell end (druid is at 20) Therefore you have NOT FINISHED dealing damage meaning the spell is in effect and is not complete yet when you revert Now with the disintegrate it would be Hit Deal damage (80) revert (the bear takes 50) Deal rest of damage (because you are damageing the other form it must be there while damage is being dealt) Is the target reduced to zero (druid is at 20) No spell ends The spell says "if this damage [10d6+40] reduces it to 0 hit points, it is disintegrated" you are suggesting whithout evidence that the spell effect is inacted before the spell is complete if that were so it would have to be disintegrating the target before it reaches 0hp wich is as RAW not how it works the spell has to resolve its damage first as the text says if you use your interpretation on a regular spell Beast hits 0hp spell ends Druid takes no damage It isnt logical you call my explanation nonsensical when i use actual logic and then have no actual logic backing your reasoning i wouldn't have to change anything as wild shape a SPECIFIC rule says it happens "automatically when you... Drop to 0hp" weather the spell is still dealling damage or not you revert when the beast hits 0 it is logical Ps the desiner did not post an official RAW only RAI and another designer posted a RAI that said it doesn't ther is no official text from THE COMPANY that states what happens only an individuals opinion he did not hold a meeting and then come to an official conclusion wich makes his opinion no more valid than any other designer That being said as objectively as humanly possible Im very glad you agree that house ruling is fun and it should be up to the DM whether it is RAW or not There really isnt a wrong answer just different veiwpoints i understand where you get the idea of dusting them but the thing is as it stands because there is an option to dust them either way meaning if the druid reverts and then drops to 0 i feel as though in my biased opinion itd be fun to dust the druid then make the party serch for a way to bring them back then doing something fun like "i guess you missed some dust because your druid only seems to have 9 fingers" then go on a hunt back to were the druid wad dusted to find the finger all in all its just about having a good time [/QUOTE]
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