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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 9696261" data-attributes="member: 20564">Let me restate this.  If there are zero legal repercussions for those collecting copyrighted material, there is no deterrent on those collecting copyrighted material to make sure the models they train on that material aren't misused.  And by misused, I mean used outside the boundaries of Fair Use.Does it make sense now?Which is why I didn't refer to it as copyright but as counterfeiting.  And if it's close enough that it's considered a derivative work there are other legal issue.Again, please refer to the real world issue with Studio Ghibli a few months back, that while there currently legal systems have not caught up to AI for widespread style copying, that doesn't mean this isn't something that moving forward shouldn't be protected.  The law often lags behind activities-that-should-be-crimes made possible by technology.Again, the end user doesn't have the training material and can produce copyrighted material without knowing it.  The enforcement cannot be on that side, or cannot be solely on that side.  There must be provisions in place that if material is collected for Fair Use, it is ONLY used for Fair Use.  And that means deterrent needs to affect the collector.I'm going to assume that since you suggested and are defending it, that you understand what fair use is.  Let me remind others:Fair use is a legal doctrine that permits limited use of copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder, primarily for purposes like criticism, commentary, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.Can you explain how you see that 'a lot of the duplication' is for the purpose of 'criticism, commentary, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research'?Because I don't see that, especially among generative AI used for art.</blockquote>

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