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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9728687" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I agree, and spells that have a save also usually damage enemies when they make that save.&nbsp; This emphasizes my point.&nbsp; When you make your save against Lightning Bolt, it still hits you.&nbsp; When you make your save against Hellish Rebuke it still hits you.You can damage someone with a Lightning bolt or Hellish Rebuke without rolling anything to hit them.&nbsp; They automatically hit and damage the enemy, regardless of what they roll on their save.In the 2024 rules Inflict Wounds automatically damages an enemy.&nbsp; This is a touch spell and you can automatically touch your opponent and damage him without rolling any attack roll, whether the enemy saves or not.I question the logic that some spells which don't say they require an attack roll can automatically &quot;hit&quot; an enemy, and other spells that don't require an attack roll can't automatically &quot;hit&quot; an enemy in a similar situation. I think it is pretty simple; the spells that require an attack roll say so.&nbsp; The spells that require a save say so.&nbsp; The spells that don't state these things require neither.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9728687, member: 7030563"] I agree, and spells that have a save also usually damage enemies when they make that save. This emphasizes my point. When you make your save against Lightning Bolt, it still hits you. When you make your save against Hellish Rebuke it still hits you. You can damage someone with a Lightning bolt or Hellish Rebuke without rolling anything to hit them. They [B][U]automatically[/U][/B] hit and damage the enemy, regardless of what they roll on their save. In the 2024 rules Inflict Wounds [B][U]automatically[/U][/B] damages an enemy. This is a touch spell and you can automatically touch your opponent and damage him without rolling any attack roll, whether the enemy saves or not. I question the logic that some spells which don't say they require an attack roll can automatically "hit" an enemy, and other spells that don't require an attack roll can't automatically "hit" an enemy in a similar situation. I think it is pretty simple; the spells that require an attack roll say so. The spells that require a save say so. The spells that don't state these things require neither. [/QUOTE]

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